Wide-ranging comment, including comment on  the redemption (or alternative fate) of young and very young children

Bronze-Silver-Gold: A Rocha UK, St Mark'sEco-Church and the Parable of the Garden
St John's Eco-Church, Ranmoor, Sheffield
St Mark's Eco-Church, Sheffield

Dr Margaret Ainger, St Mark's Eco-Church
The writing of Dr Beth Keith. 'Vibrant?' Stagnant? Pacifist? 'Pacifier writing?'

In the orbit of St Mark's: St Mary's. Dr Alan Billings (ex South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner) on theology and slavery

Rock Christian Centre, Sheffield: the 'Rocky Horror Show'
Greenwashing STC Network Eco-Church, Sheffield, member, Evangelical Alliance

Network Church, Sheffield, member, Evangelical Network. Jesus driving out demons. The case of Matthew Drapper
Whirlow Spirituality Centre, Sheffield

All Saints Church, Sheffield
Sheffield Diocese: Assorted functionaries
Pete Wilcox, Bishop of Sheffield
The resources of the dioceses
Membership of the Evangelical Alliance in Sheffield and Dronfield, with profile

Supplementary: the Saints
Our Lady of the Assumption Church, Croydon

 

John Smyth and Justin Welby raise issues that go far beyond an abuser and an ex-Church leader, requiring, I argue, a recognition of the comprehensive failings of Jesus, 'St' Paul, many others.

 

John Smyth carried out savage beatings in a garden shed, out of sight. Gradually, his activities became known, not to many people, but to people with influence - who did nothing, of course. Hideous acts which are rare in a liberal democracy were commonplace and public knowledge in the vastly different circumstances of the Roman empire in the 1st Century AD.

 

Jesus will have witnessed scenes involving the flogging of slaves in public, probably the torture of slaves, certainly the public execution of slaves - and the flogging of slave children in public, perhaps the torture of slave children, the public execution of child slaves. If a child slave ran away from the 'owner,' the child slave could be executed. This was a society with no law forbidding the flogging or execution of slaves under the age of 18.

 

Jesus had nothing to say in opposition to slavery, of course. He had nothing to say in opposition to the barbaric treatment of slaves, including slave children. He must have known that ten year old slave children, five year old slave children, slave babies were bought and sold in the public slave markets, he must have known that they were often treated barbarically, but he had nothing to say against any of this.

 

'St' Paul travelled widely in the Roman Empire. His experiences must have included far more buping and selling of slave children and slave babies and barbaric treatment. He too had nothing to say in opposition to slavery. Christian beaters of children and abusers of children, Christian rapists of children can obviously be found now but there must surely have been many more in the times of the early Christian Church - and the Church in successive centuries.

 

Justin Welby has resigned, as he had to, but to absolve Jesus from blame, 'St' Paul from blame, other New Testament writers from blame would be completely wrong. We can be sure that none of the Bishops will be able to rescue the Church of England. The dogmatic foundations of the Church of England, the inability of its staff to make the Church a viable institution, given the many, many obstacles, make a reversal of its fortunes impossible.

 

John Smyth is, of course, a major abuser, but the list of other abusers in the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church is  long too and it would be difficult if not impossible to get very far in listing them.

 

In the column to the right:

From the report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, 2022:

 

'Throughout this investigation, we heard appalling accounts of child sexual abuse perpetrated by clergy and those associated with the Roman Catholic Church. The abuse covers a spectrum of sexual offending including acts of masturbation, oral sex, vaginal rape and anal rape, accompanied on occasions by beatings and other acts of violence. There have been many hundreds of victims and complainants over many decades.'

 

And this:

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A primary school deputy head teacher and her partner have been jailed for dozens of child sexual abuse offences, including nine counts of rape.

 

Julie Morris, 44, the safeguarding lead [!] at a school in Wigan, and David Morris filmed themselves abusing and raping a girl under the age of 13.

The teacher was jailed for 13 years and four months.

Her 52-year-old partner, of St Helens, admitted 34 offences at a previous hearing and was jailed for 16 years.

Julie Morris, of Hindley, worked at St George's Central C of E Primary School in Wigan but the charges are not related to her employment.

Liverpool Crown Court heard the videos showed Julie Morris giggling as the abuse took place.

Honorary Recorder of Liverpool, Judge Andrew Menary, said: "Every now and again you see cases, the circumstances of which are almost beyond belief. This is one of those cases.

"It demonstrates that human depravity really knows no depths."

The Crown Prosecution Service said it was one of the most horrific cases they have had to deal with.

"It truly appears like both of them were equally involved," district crown prosecutor Damion Lloyd said ...

Julie Morris admitted two counts of rape, nine of inciting a child under the age of 13 to engage in sexual activity and two of engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child.

She also admitted three counts of taking indecent images of a child, one of engaging in sexual communication with a child and one of possessing indecent images of a child.

 

It's generally realized that Christianity has 'teaching' to do with 'eternal destiny,' going beyond present life. But very, very often, the mistake is made of supposing that according to Christianity, good people are rewarded and bad people are punished, for a time or for ever.

 

There are Christians, many Christians who believe in something similar, in  'justification by works.' But far more common and far more influential is 'justification by faith,' the faith of conservative evangelicals but not just conservative evangelicals. John Smyth was a conservative evangelical. Justin Welby is a conservative, or semi-conservative evangelical.

 

In this view, only the people who have accepted Jesus as Saviour are saved. The others are damned, or in some way separated from God for eternity. Roman Catholics have the doctrine of purgatory, a temporary state.

 

Justin Welby and countless other Christians will believe - or are likely to believe - that because John Smyth seems to have accepted Jesus as Saviour, he will be saved. Any of his victims who never accept Jesus as Saviour will not be saved. Anybody who can show that the orthodox Christian Conservative or semi-conservative view is a different view or very different view is welcome to contact me and I'll publish a clarification or a retraction or a note to the effect that they're spouting garbage - with, of course, my reasons in full for supposing that to be so.

 

At many points, on this page and the other pages on Christianity, I give further examples of the horrific consequences of this view. In the column to the right, I point out the worst of the worst, the most horrific of consequences, or amongst the most horrific - the view that there's no age restriction in the Christian doctrine of redemption. That ten year olds or five year olds or one year old or babies even younger can fail to meet the requirements for redemption. Jesus never mentions the issue, 'St' Paul never mentions the issue, the issue isn't raised by any Biblical author and seems not to have been discussed by any Christian writer, or none that I know of. This is an admixture of the plainly ridiculous, the deranged and the horrific.

 

What Christians know or imagine that they know about Christianity, its demands and its alleged rewards, is 'revelation.' To Conservative evangelicals, the Bible is the place to find out about revelation. Catholics, not just Roman Catholics but Anglo-Catholics, also depend upon the 'teaching' of the Church. The 'teaching' of the Church or individuals in the Church has included the doctrine that if babies die without being baptized, they spend eternity in hell, the doctrine that making use of artificial methods of birth control is sinful but that slavery is not sinful. Jesus never opposed slavery and 'St' Paul never opposed slavery. I provide evidence on this page amongst others.

 

On this page, I also provide material on some difference of opinion between myself and Alan Billings, who was the Police and Crime Commissioner for Sheffield for many years - a really poor, a disastrously poor appointment. The section is

 

In the orbit of St Mark's: St Mary's. Dr Alan Billings (ex South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner) on theology and slavery

 

Dr Billings tried it on, but got nowhere. His theological 'arguments' were ridiculous. He tried to claim that in the Christian scheme of things -  in the New, Miraculous Life of the Believer Redeemed by Christ Jesus - slave and non-slave Were As One, that the differences between slave and slave owner were as Nothing.  That is to say, the slave owner whose powers over the slave were almost total, including the  power to sell the slave or children of the slave at any time and the power to punish the slave in almost any way, including execution was at one with the slave he owned, a piece of property rather than a person.

 

Alan Billings should reflect that if John Smyth was able to inflict savage beatings on boys in a democracy under the rule of law, a Christian slave owner in the Roman Empire at the time of the New Testament writers with similar urges would have been able to get away with similar treatment inflicted on a slave, whether Christian or non-Christian. According to the faith of the Conservative Evangelical John Smyth, only the Christian slave would go to Heaven. The non-Christian slave would go to Hell.

 

If Julie Morris was able to carry out rape, a Christian slave owner in Roman times would have been able to rape far more freely, in a virtually uncontrolled way, if the slave owner had urges similar to those of Julie Morris.

 

Any idea that Christians are incapable of such behaviour is obviously false. The views of Dr Billings on the subject amount to naive, wishful thinking, thinking - if it can be called that - based upon illusion.

 

A significant number of Church of England bishops and Roman Catholic bishops have known about abuse and done nothing about it or have suspected abuse and done nothing to find out more or to act on any knowledge. To confine attention to Justin Welby is to vastly over simplify.

 

Many, many bishops, many, many members of the clergy, many, many members of congregations have heard something about the problem of abuse in the church but have been incurious. So called 'liberal congregations' have shown little sign of caring much about the problem, or at least there's been insufficient care for them to take effective action.

 

One reason why church functionaries and others have done so little should be obvious. Giving to the church will be greater if the church is viewed as near perfect or a model of harmony or as supported and sustained by God. Abuse is bad for business, on the other hand.

 

Abuse is a horrific aspect of church life, not permeating all the church, but something which should never be neglected, which should never have been neglected.  There are other horrific acts of the churches, not all the churches, but some of them. I think that all the churches have shown far too much passivity and indifference.The history of the church, the history of the churches, is so often deceitful and ignorant, a travesty. The many centuries of Christianity in this country have so often idealized out of all recognition.

 

I mention on this page the activities of King James, of the King James Bible, and his acts of torture, his persecution of alleged 'witches,' his culpability in the execution of Edward Wightman for heresy, burned alive in Lichfield. There have been many other Church of England persecutors of 'heretics.' The Church of England is unfit to act as the 'conscience' of this country, unfit to act as a moral guide.

 

On this page there's information about the persecutions carried out by Roman Catholics. These have been on a much bigger scale, for example, the tortures and burnings carried out against the Cathars. The Roman Catholic Church is unfit to act as a moral guide.

 

In this section, I include very little adverse comment on Jesus himself and 'St' Paul but I make up for it in the rest of the page and on other pages. In this column, I give information - well-known information - about the attempt to cure a homosexual / gay person by allegedly 'driving out demons.'  Jesus refers to demons and is described as driving out demons in many places in the New Testament. Jesus supposedly commanded his disciples to go out and cure leprosy. This was well before scientific medicine provided reliable methods. The demonstrably false beliefs of Jesus and 'St' Paul are explored on this site but it would be impossible to do that adequately, the scale of the task would be too great.

 

In this section, in this page, in all the pages of the site where I discuss Christianity, I put the case against. I'm happy to receive criticisms of my views, I'm happy to publish on the site criticisms of my views and to publish defences of Christianity. So far, I've received no criticisms of my views and no defences of Christianity. It's very, very common for critics of Christianity to receive no counter-arguments and no evidence in support of Christianity. It's common for Christianity to be promoted by alleged evidence, evidence which takes it for granted that Christianity must be 'true,' for example this 'Jesus must have been God because he performed many miracles,' or 'Jesus must have been God because the tomb was empty and he rose again' or 'God answers prayer so prayer must be a real way of talking to God.'

 

On this page, I include some lists which show that the number of church functionaries, bishops and the rest, and the number of available theologians at just a very few places amount to large numbers. Even though they have so many  resources,  financial resources and 'human resources, ' the churches seem completely unable to answer reasoned objections, or to arrest their obvious decline in numbers. The exceptions are few and have crude simplicities for doctrine, of the kind 'Hellfire for all but the small number of believers in Christ as Saviour' - but my view is that the apparently sophisticated versions of Christianity are nothing like what they appear, are based on defective recognition of realities. This obviously needs further explanation - and I do give much more by way of explanation in other parts of the page and other parts of the site.

 

This is a short section, but the information in other sections  gives all the necessary background information. The background information was published well before the recent rise to prominence of misgivings about Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and the calls for his resignation.  The defects of the Church of England won't be solved if Justin Welby resigns or is forced to resign. That would simply be a start. More, much more, will needed - a transformation in attitudes towards the Church of England. There will never be a transformation in attitudes within the Church of England sufficient to guarantee its survival.

 

On this page of the site as well as some other pages, I provide the arguments and the evidence  for my view that it would be impossible to reform the Church of England and to solve the problems of the Church of England - or to reform and solve the problems of the other churches - and that the principal blame lies with the founder of Christianity, Jesus. The blame is shared with someone who was almost the co-founder of the cult, 'St' Paul. 'St' Paul has been referred to - by the philosopher Bertrand Russell, for example - as the 'inventor' of Christianity. But the list of other blameworthy people is very long, immensely long, so long that it would be impossible to get very far in listing them.


Bronze-Silver-Gold: A Rocha UK, St Mark's Eco-Church and the Parable of the Garden

 

St Mark's Church is an Eco-Church, with a gold award from A Rocha UK. Not far away is the STC Network Eco-Church, with a silver award. It's also a church with an unenviable reputation for some issues to do with abuses of various kinds. For information about the abuses, in the first part of the section on STC, please click here.  To go to my discussion of Greenwashing in the section on STC Network Eco-Church,  click here.  

 

St Mark's  and the Parable of the Garden

 

A 'Forest Church' was announced by St Mark's Church. It was soon renamed and became the Garden Church. This church in the open air would show the wonders of creation. (Perhaps the worshippers tending the garden would show how wonderful the worshippers were.) But the site was gloomy, the hedges were very tall - massive - and the surrounding trees blocked the light. The small (non-Christian) group which  had managed the site seemed not to realize that plants need sufficient light. A group based at a different church tended the Garden Church later on. None of the Church groups did anything to give the plants enough light. The site also had difficult security issues. The site also had the massive problem of a long pile of fly-tipped garden, about 10 metres long.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The white plastic containers above, some with the name 'Maxicrop' visible, contained organic seaweed fertilizer. Obviously, these containers, like all the rubbish in this long pile (which extended about 10 metres) weren't dumped by ordinary fly-tippers. They weren't dumped by anyone in the garden church. I was given the name of an individual in the Community Group who allegedly dumped the detritus.



The The (very modest) rise of the garden church and its downfall - or abandonment - took place before the era of the celebrated A Rocha Eco-awards but there seems to be nothing in the judging procedure for these awards which would prevent St Mark's from receiving a gold award if the garden church had continued to exist and the long pile of garbage had continued to exist at the garden church site. I made determined attempts to have something done about the pile - the garden church was near to my two allotments -  but nothing was done. The pile of garbage stayed there for years, and didn't seem to bother the worshippers.

 

What kind of evidence is used by the  people at 'A Rocha UK before deciding whether or not to give their awards?'  Do people from A Rocha actually visit the sites? I think it's unlikely.

 


'Concern for God's Creation' sounds impressive - to people who are easily impressed by such sentiments, but an honest attempt to answer objections is a necessity - but a necessity which is far too often and far too easily evaded.

There are many realities which Christian environmentalists prefer to evade or fail to recognize and take into account in their over-the-top celebrations.

To concentrate upon one issue isn't necessarily to evade other issues which are very important and shouldn't be neglected - but often, enthusiasts do ignore them or are in danger of ignoring them.

These are some issues which shouldn't be neglected by the churches but which are neglected by the churches.

The low-level achievements of the kind promoted by A Rocha UK give a misleading impression. They are intended to show that the churches are becoming more and more enlightened, more and more progressive, more and more forces for good - but, as I point out, the projects have a negligible effect on mitigating the effects of climate change, in fact it's likely that far more often than not, the benefits are virtually non-existent.

The image of the Church of England and other churches is promoted but the failings of the churches are neglected. Nobody would realize, from looking at the promotion materials, that the Church of England is a church with continuing problems, very serious problems, to do with sexual abuse and other forms of abuse.

There is no necessary incompatibility between working for a bronze, or silver or gold award from A Rocha UK and attempting to cure homosexuality by driving out demons. The Christian environmentalists are likely to be orthodox Christians, or sufficiently orthodox to believe that Jesus did claim to have driven out demons, or that the claim was made for him.

Margaret Ainger and Cathy Rhodes are both medically qualified. Do they really believe the claim that Jesus sent out disciples 'to cleanse [cure] lepers' and to 'drive out demons?' Or haven't they given much thought to the matter?

A massive, massive difficulty - fixing problems to do with environmental problems. But even if the problems could be solved, a further massive, massive difficulty would remain, or a whole set of problems. These are problems to do with security and defence against aggression.

If, hypothetically, all the countries of Europe spent all the money they could afford on solving environmental problems, if, hypothetically, the peoples of Europe showed immense determination, if they became as enlightened as A Rocha UK could possibly wish for, all these countries would still be very vulnerable. They would be at risk of invasion. Again and again, free countries have lost their freedom. An invading and occupying army can easily remove all freedom of action, including the freedom of action to implement environmental programmes.

If the prospect seems unthinkable, it's only unthinkage to naive and clueless people (not naive and clueless in every respect or most respects, but without the sense and the understanding of harsh realities which are needed to appreciate this acute dilemma.) Given the chance, Putin's Russia, or another potential agrressor emerging at a future date, would seize the chance to deprive these people of their liberty. The environmental agenda, or lack of an environmental agenda, would then be for Putin's Russia or some other aggressor to decide.

There are Christian environmentalists who recognize that there's a housing crisis, which could even become a housing catastrophe, if nothing is done about it. These people often oppose new housing developments. I take the view that the population density of this country is excessive. There are Christian environmentalists who refuse to accept that if migration is uncontrolled or not controlled effectively, then then housing shortages will become progressively worse. Comments I've read from people at St Mark's Church, Sheffield on migration leave me with the impression that these people have far too much concern for  their own self-image, their image as progressive people, and not nearly enough recognition of realties, the willingness to examine solutions which have a prospect of reducing the problems. I regard St Mark's Church as a backward church, with tendencies which are very harmful - but not, of course, in every respect.

The Church Times article in the section on Dr Cathy Rhodes includes this advice from the doctor: 'Find some practical action to unite around, to avoid degenerating into a talking shop.'

She forgets that practical action can be anything but clear cut, that there can be many different ways of achieving practical objectives, some of them wildly unrealistic, far exceeding the knowledge and skills of the people who hope to achieve something, people who have vague, well meaning hopes, absolute incompetents. The hope to do something for 'God's creation' may co-exist with ignorance of safety regulations and lack of common sense. The people may lack the stamina needed to see a project through to completion, or the ability to abandon a project if it becomes obvious that there's absolutely no prospect of it succeeding. There are so many other possible complications besides these particular complications.

The Garden Church which was publicized by St Mark's Church and promoted - for a time - by Lu Skerratt-Love, a Trustee of St Mark's Church, is a sobering reminder that there are many possible ways to fail in seeing 'some practical action' through to a successful conclusion. The Garden Church is a sobering reminder that Dr Rhodes has failed to see some possible problems in her recommendation.

This is the content of an email I sent to Lu Skerratt-Love but never received. It gives some basic information about the garden church being promoted by Lu Skerratt-Love, at that stage referred to as a 'Forest Church.' I found that a garden church, or forest church, was being planned from the post quoted here which appeared on the St Mark's Website.

 

Dear Lu Skerratt-Love,

'I write in connection with this post on the St Marks Website:

'SHEFFIELD FOREST CHURCH – SATURDAY 11 SEPTEMBER AT 2.30PM

'After a summer break, we’re back! Join us for Forest Church on the theme of Creation at the Garden Church in Walkley (Walkley Community Garden, Morley Street S6 2PLfor time to be and worship in God’s creation. Bring a drink and a snack for after the service! Our services are intentionally all age and LGBTQ+ affirming, so whatever stage of life or journey you’re on – you’re so very welcome! For more information, you can find us on facebook or email


'I have two allotments on the Morley Street site in Sheffield. I was dismayed to find that the Forest Church is planning to hold this event at Morley Street this Saturday.

The plan is  disastrously misguided, surely. These are some objections:

'The place where it is planned to hold the event is rented land. These are Sheffield Council allotments and as such, are subject to allotment law.  The allotments are rented by Lower Walkley Community Group (LWCG). The group's decision to give permission for the Forest Church to hold the event was very misguided but I have evidence to show that throughout, the use of the land by LWCG has been incompetent.

'[You are] seemingly unaware of the legislation applicable to allotments which is intended to protect the safety of the public and the issue of legal liability. Allotments do have hazards, and in the event of injury to a member of the public attending the event at the 'Forest Garden,' there could easily be severe legal consequences.

'According to information I've received, a fundamental disagreement concerning access to the Community Garden precipitated dissension within the group, leading to members going their separate ways and the neglect of the garden, which lasted for many years until this year, when some work has been done, although hardly any of it to do with the growing of food plants. There was a short period when access to the garden was restricted, by a locked gate, but for most of the time, anyone who wanted to enter the garden was able to.

A very striking , and very off-putting feature of the garden is the very large heap of rubbish, very long as well as high - discarded plastic, rubbish of many, many kinds, with further rubbish in some Council Wheelie bins. If it's assumed that this was all left by fly tippers, it can't be the only explanation. I think these must have been left by the Group itself. [I've since received information from a reliable source, a person who has an allotment near to my own allotments, that the fly-tipping was the action of a member of the Community Garden Group. Amongst the discarded plastic containers are ones which once held organic seaweed fertilizer. 
'I've been informed that youths have sometimes gathered in the LWCG garden and been involved in solvent abuse. I can't verify this but an open garden obviously carries security risks. The  LWCG garden is some distance from the road, down the long and gloomy heavily path by the side of the Walkley Bank Allotment Association hut. The garden itself is shielded from view. It may not be likely that the church members would meet trouble but if they ever did, this isn't the kind of place where it would be easy to get help quickly. I don't think this is being too alarmist. About thirty years ago, there was a murder on an allotment site in the Rivelin Valley. Three youths were sniffing glue in the allotment. Two of them turned on the third and stabbed him with a garden tool. In the time I've had my allotments, there have been some troubling incidents affecting allotment holders, including threatening behaviour directed at them. The Forest Church has ignored the serious problems to do with security.
'A Christian event at an allotment site would set a very troublesome precedent. Allotments are primarily places for growing food but they have other uses. From the introduction to 'Jane Grigson's Vegetable Book:'
'In my most optimistic moments, I see every town ringed again with small gardens, nurseries, allotments, greenhouses, orchards, as it was in the past, an assertion of delight and human scale.'
'Allotments  should not be places for Christian evangelism or Christian worship. Christians have many other venues available for that. There is no need to use allotments at all. Allotments are not the place for the singing of hymns  for preaching or for public prayer. 
I hope that this conveys some of my reasons for disagreement'. 
Best Wishes,
Paul Hurt.

The sending of this email had unexpected consequences. The email was sent to Lu Skerratt-Love but not received by Lu Skerratt-Love, who complained to South Yorkshire Police about me and who made claims that I can readily show were false. The decision was taken to issue me with a Community Protection Notice: Written Warning, without any attempt to obtain my testimony. Two police officers spent an hour at my house. The decision to issue the Written Warning was taken by someone who was a member of the Christian Police Association. I can easily show that the allegations made against me were based on falsification. There's much more about all this on another page, in the first two columns of the page:

https://www.linkagenet.com/themes/fefe-christianity-south-yorkshire-police.htm

Some supplementary information, with images. I think that this 'community garden,' or 'garden church' has some claim to be the most incompetent, most mismanaged environmental project in the past decade. I doubt if any other environmental project could possibly combine an attempt to cultivate the soil (an attempt which made hardly any impact) with active fly-tipping. The people associated with the garden church can't  be blamed for the fly-tipping (I'm informed that someone associated with the community garden, which allowed the garden church to take on the site, was responsible for the fly tipping. The garden church did ignore the fly-tipping, though, did nothing about it. I contacted the allotment officer about the problem but it took years before the problem was resolved.

The garden church organizer made it clear that children were welcome at their services. It was clear to me that the proximity of the massive heap of fly-tipped rubbish posed possible dangers to children, and adults too, for that matter - and, more likely, hazards for wildlife.  The heap contained sharp pieces of metal and metal fragments. I also pointed out to the organizer that the organizer expected events to go on for as long as two hours and to go ahead whatever the weather. I pointed out that this was completely unreasonable to expect children to put up with these conditions, for this length of time, and possibly hazardous.

Rock Christian Centre, Sheffield: the 'Rocky Horror Show'

 

https://www.rockchristiancentre.org/why-christianity/

 

Rock Christian Centre is a member of the group of churches called 'Arise.' Other members of 'Arise' include Sheffield Cathedral, the deluded 'sophisticates' at St Mark's Church, Christ Church Fulwood, Eyam Parish Church, St Matthews (Anglo-Catholic) Church, St Marie's (Roman Catholic) Cathedral, St Thomas Crookes (STC), St Thomas Philadelphia, St Timothy's. The full list is at

 

https://www.arisesheffield.org/churches

 

The Rocky Horror Show Church page includes this:

The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.

But His goodness is so great that His anger isn’t confined to the evils of rape and murder. Nothing is hidden from His pure and holy eyes. He is outraged by torture, terrorism, abortion, theft, lying, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, homosexuality, and blasphemy. He also sees our thought-life, and He will judge us for the hidden sins of the heart: for lust, hatred, rebellion, greed, unclean imaginations, ingratitude, selfishness, jealousy, pride, envy, deceit, etc. Jesus warned, “But I say to you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment”6 (emphasis added).

The Bible says that God’s wrath “abides” on each of us, and that every time we sin, we’re “storing up wrath” that will be revealed on Judgment Day. We are even told that we are “by nature the children of wrath” (emphasis added). Sinning against God comes naturally to us—and we naturally earn His anger by our sins.

Instant Death

Many people believe that because God is good, He will forgive everyone, and let all sinners into Heaven. But they misunderstand His goodness. When Moses once asked to see God’s glory, God told him that he couldn’t see Him and live. Moses would instantly die if he looked upon God. Consider this:

[God] said, I will make all my goodness pass before you… And it shall come to pass, while my glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and will cover you with my hand while I pass by.

Notice that all of God’s glory was displayed in His “goodness.” The goodness of God would have killed Moses instantly because of his personal sinfulness. The fire of God’s goodness would have consumed him, like a cup of water dropped onto the surface of the sun. The only way any of us can stand in the presence of God is to be pure in heart. Jesus said, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” But as we’ve seen by looking at the Law, not a single one of us is “pure in heart.”

“The fear of God is the healthiest fear you can have. The Bible calls it ‘the beginning of wisdom.’”

These are extremely fearful thoughts, because the God we are speaking about is nothing like the commonly accepted image. He is not a benevolent Father figure, who is happily smiling upon sinful humanity.

In the midst of these frightening thoughts, remember to let fear work for you. The fear of God is the healthiest fear you can have. The Bible calls it “the beginning of wisdom.”

Again, your knowledge of God’s Law should help you to see that you have a life-threatening dilemma: a huge problem of God’s wrath (His justifiable anger) against your personal sins. The just penalty for sin—breaking even one Law—is death, and eternity in Hell. But you haven’t broken just one Law. Like the rest of us, you’ve no doubt broken all these laws, countless times each. What kind of anger do you think a judge is justified in having toward a criminal guilty of breaking the law thousands of times?

 

St John's Eco-Church, Ranmoor, Sheffield

 

 

Above, the spire of St John's Church, evidence of repair work and my van, on a visit to the church (but not to the interior. I stayed outside.)

 

The spire of St John the Evangelist in the 'leafy' suburb of Ranmoor, Sheffield ('leafy' has become quite a common recommendation in the recruitment material published by the Church of England, to attract the right sort of staff for a plush parish of this kind, but Sheffield is famed for its trees, its tree trunks and its leaves - according to one estimate, the city has about 4.5 million trees -  and many rough areas of Sheffield are very leafy or quite leafy - but they have the wrong sort of leaves.

 

The spire is massive, and can be seen from many, many viewpoints, but I think the best view is from very near. The steeple was obviously intended to impress, but any impression the steeple makes is to do with physical size and the massing of masonry, the tapering of the octagonal spire.

 

If the spire is interpreted as reaching towards heaven, then this is straightforwardly mistaken. At the time it was built, heaven as a physical place should have appealed only to ignoramuses, but there were many, many ignoramuses in the Church of England and still are.

 

A basic, more general point - architecture proves no Christian doctrines, whether the work is at a high aesthetic level or the derivative, heavy, very ordinary level of this building, art - painting, sculpture,  metalwork, woodworking prove no Christian doctrines, whether the work is superb or crude.

 

The tangled (semi-coherent or semi-incoherent) wording of this, from the installation by the main entrance of St John's Church, has no more claim to convey truth than words hastily scribbled on a scrap of paper - any importance as a work of decorative metalwork is at a humble, not at all massive, level of achievement.

 

 

Music proves no Christian doctrines, whether the composer is J S Bach, Palestrina, Purcell or some churner-out of tuneless rubbish, whether the choir is King's College Choir, Cambridge or the choir of St John's College Cambridge or the choir of St John's, Ranmoor.

 

John Ruskin, the art and architecture critic, and critic of many other things, had an association with Sheffield.  He makes this claim for 'Mere Size,' a completely erroneous claim:

 

'Mere size has, indeed, under all disadvantage, some definite value; and so has mere splendour. Disappointed as you may be, or at least ought to be, at first, by St Peter's, in the end you will feel its size ... the bigness tells at last; and Corinthian pillars whose capitals alone are ten feet high, and their acanthus leaves three feet six long, give you a serious conviction of the infallibility of the Pope ... '

 

The architecture of any Roman Catholic church can't give anyone a conviction of any Roman Catholic beliefs. The architecture of the Medieval English cathedrals gives no support to any Church of England beliefs, in any of their clashing, contradictory forms, Conservative Evangelical, Anglo-Catholic, so-called 'Liberal.' It offered no support to the Roman Catholic beliefs of the builders and their successors, until very different beliefs were adopted as part of the 'English Reformation.'

 

Recommended, as an introduction to the 'thought' of Matthew Rhodes, the Vicar of St John's, more exactly, which conveys the unappetising flavour of his theological musings - in part, much worse than that - is a sermon he delivered to the congregation of St Mark's Church, which has comment and criticism not just in this column but in other places on the site.

 

https://www.stmarkssheffield.co.uk/Publisher/
File.aspx?id=336470

 

Sunday 23 July 2023 (16th Sunday after Easter) Today we welcome to our pulpit Matthew Rhodes from St John’s Ranmoor, a sister church in our mission partnership. He reflects on the parable of the wheat and tares. Readings: Romans 8.12-25 Matthew 13.24-30,36-43 Sermon: ‘Plants and Weeds’- Matthew Rhodes

 

Whatever form the pulpit at St Mark's may take, or the pulpit at St John the Evangelist, its design and execution don't guarantee that what's spoken from there has a modicum of good sense, that it avoids all those faults that afflict the genre.

 

Before I quote and comment on this sermon of Matthew Rhodes, here are two ornate pulpits, in my view no-expense-spared-no-excess-spared-over-the-top examples, like so many other pulpits.

 

 

 

 

Above, a nineteenth century pulpit in Canterbury Cathedral.

 

 

Above, a pulpit which takes the form of a ship's prow, Irsee Abbey, Bavaria. The record of the German churches, Catholic and Protestant, during the Nazi era was bad, with few exceptions. Obviously, the goodness or badness of this design doesn't influence the goodness or badness of the sermons preached there. Have there ever been what could be described as 'good' sermons?

 

But by this time, Irsee Abbey was no longer used for sermons, for church services. It had been given a secular use, as a psychiatric hospital. All the patients, adults and children, were transported to death camps, except for those given lethal injections or starved to death.

 

In its long history, the centuries which brought the blessings of Christianity, the Abbey experienced the usual or the common things - poor harvests, famines, war and over the top expenses by power-loving abbots. The pulpit shown above wasn't the cheapest model available on the market. The abbey was almost completely destroyed during the German Peasants' War and yet again during the Thirty Years War.

 

The German Peasants' War was the biggest popular uprising before the French Revolution. The peasants were heavily taxed and by this time, the lord could use their land as he wanted to. There was nothing to stop the aristocracy from damaging crops by their use of the land for hunting. The justice system, operated in part by the clergy, failed to correct abuses.

 

Of the 300,000 peasants and farmers, perhaps 100,000 were slaughtered by the aristocratic opposition. Many of the Protestant Reformers took the side of the aristocrats. They included Martin Luther, who called on the aristocrats to kill the rebels. Luther stated that the peasants 'must be sliced, chocked, stabbed, secretly and publicly, by those who can, as one must kill a rabid dog.'

 

The Thirty Years' War, lasted a very long time, from 1618 to 1648. It was one of the most devastating conflicts in the history of Europe. It was fought mainly in Central Europe. Between 4.5 and 8 million soldiers and civilians died from the effects of battle, famine, or disease. Bubonic plague, which ravaged Christian (and, of course, other societies), not cured by the prayers in the churches, accounted for about 64% of the civilian deaths. Areas of Germany experienced population declines of over 50% The war can be viewed as a continuation of the conflict between Catholic and Protestant within the Holy Roman Empire. This began with the Reformation of the 16th century.

 

From the Wikipedia entry for the Thirty Years War, one of many texts which could be required reading in theological colleges, to give the students (and the staff) a more balanced view of the blessings of Christianity:

 

Contemporaries spoke of a 'frenzy of despair' as people sought to make sense of the relentless and often random bloodshed unleashed by the war. Attributed by religious authorities to divine retribution for sin, attempts to identify a supernatural cause led to a series of witch-hunts, beginning in Franconia in 1626 and quickly spreading to other parts of Germany. They began in the Bishopric of Wurzburg, an area with a history of such events going back to 1616 and now re-ignited by Bishop von Ehrenberg,  a devout Catholic eager to assert the church's authority in his territories. By the time he died in 1631, over 900 people from all levels of society had been executed. The Bamberg witch trials,  held in the nearby Bishopric of Bamberg from 1626 to 1631, claimed over one thousand lives ...'

 

As I point out in various places, in various pages, King James, who played such a prominent part in the translation of the Bible name after him, was also a prominent persecutor (torturer and executioner) of witches, although he arranged for other people to carry out the tortures and the executions.

 

The translation of Exodus 22:18 in the 'Good News (!) Bible gives this so-called command of God: 'Put to death any woman who practices magic.' In the King James Bible and many other translations, 'witch' replaces 'any woman who practices magic.'

 

All this has very severe consequences for the Christian views of redemption. A challenge to theologians and other Christian believers: the killers of the peasantry during the Peasants' Revolt would all have been Christian believers, with very few exceptions. Did their Christian belief give them entry to heaven, with its traditional rewards? The people who tortured and executed alleged witches and the people who ordered them to torture and to execute were all Christian believers. Did they end up with the sheep, not with the goats? The Protestants who slaughtered Catholics during the Thirty Years War and the Catholics who slaughtered Protestants were Christian believers. Did they enjoy those blessings you talk about and so often preach about?

 

Specifically, what are the views of Beth Keith of St Mark's Church on doctrines of redemption? What are the views of Matthew Rhodes? What are the views of Tim Ling of the Church Army. The views of

Jonny Dyer of Christ Church, Fulwood and the views of the staff of STC will be those associated with the Conservative Evangelical views promoted by these churches - Hellfire for all, except for the minority of people who have accepted Christ as Saviour. Luther and the King James of the King James Bible certainly believed to their own satisfaction that they were redeemed by the blood of the Son. They would have been very disappointed indeed to find that their destiny wasn't assured.

 

In fact, very large numbers of Christian believers do believe in orthodox doctrines of redemption but would be afraid to acknowledge it. The time has come to ask some probing questions, to press for answers. You claim to be a Christian, with a new life, someone with a very different status from that of the unredeemed - yet you refuse to answer questions about the matter? How can this be?

 

The question to Tim Ling and other staff of the Church Army: Do you believe that the clients of the Church Army who never accept Jesus as Lord are excluded from the rewards given to yourselves? Beth Keith, what do you, as a 'Liberal Theologian,' make of redemption? Do you believe that everyone gets to heaven, eventually? That would have counted as heresy, in the past, and perhaps earned the person a death sentence, perhaps by burning alive. The revelation which Jesus allegedly brought about, the doctrines which have a basis in what Jesus taught, in the disorganized documents available, left so much out and emphasized matters which are far less important. Secular society hasn't any use for doctrines of redemption. Doctrines of redemption are in conflict with modern society. It may be important to a Christian whether or not doctors, nurses, engineers, labourers, office workers, journalists, mothers, fathers and others have earned the right to enter heaven. In secular society, it matters if a person is a good doctor, nurse, engineer, labourer ... and the rest. To Christian believers in orthodox doctrines of redemption, such issues are irrelevant for the purposes of Selection for Heaven. I state what will be obvious: that I consider this Christian view deranged, that nobody with any sense would want to give money to organizations which preach such harmful doctrines.

 

I think Matthew Rhodes would acknowledge that his literary skills don't rival the skills of, let's say, John Donne - but literary skills don't prove the validity of the theological views of the author. The literary values of the Authorized Version of the Bible don't prove or improve the barbaric views of those associated with the translation. The Authorized Version is also called the 'King James Bible,' after the King who supervised the torture and execution of women alleged to be witches, who had a leading part in the burning alive of Edward Wightman in Lichfield in 1611. His offences were to do with blasphemy.

 

Two brief quotations from this tract, which were very likely received by the liberal (or pseudo-liberal) congregation of St Mark's without any bother:

 

'When weeds appeared in a field of wheat, the slaves of the householder come to him and suggest that they pull them up.'

'The son of man is the sower. The good seed are the children of the kingdom. And the weeds are the children of the evil one. And the harvest will be at the end of the age. At the final judgement.'

 

Here, there are apocalyptic, eschatological references, part of a world view which can only be accepted by cranks, references to the Devil ('the evil one') and the Last Judgement, the separation into two groups with very different fates, the believers in Christ as Lord and Saviour, and the doomed non-believers.

 

Has Matthew Rhodes given any thought to the fate of slaves in the Roman Empire? They were bought and sold in degrading slave markets, including slave children. Slave families were routinely split up and sold to different masters (and mistresses). They could be tortured at the whim of the owner, punished ferociously if the owner so wished. As if this life of acute deprivation and brutal treatment were not enough, Matthew Rhodes is seemingly indifferent to the fate of slaves in his orthodox Christian scheme. A slave who never comes to Christian faith is doomed but the slave owner who buys and sells slaves, including slave children, is counted with the blessed, if the slave owner has become a Christian believer (perhaps because of the mere accident of meeting a Christian and being converted there and then - if the slave owner's day hadn't involved this meeting, the slave owner too might well share the fate of the slaves.)

 

The translation 'servants' found in many translations of Matthew 13:27 (and similar passages) is incorrect. The New Testament Greek has δοῦλοι, slaves. The slave owner is described here as οἰκοδεσπότου (in the Genitive case.) The word incorporates 'despotes' (in the Nominative case), from which the English word 'despot' is derived. The word emphasizes the power of the slave owner.

 

This sermon includes this claim. The reference is to his time in Egypt:

 

'... most of the people in my congregation were Americans. Some of them like to send me things on social media, including the wonderful words you get on roadside pulpits in the United States.'

 

An alternative view would be that these simplistic dogmatic messages are no more to be relied on than simplistic advertizing claims. In both cases, people are expected to simply accept the claims. There can never be any accompanying evidence - except so-called Biblical evidence. These roadside pulpits are generally put there by fundamentalists, who believe that the world was created by God in six days and who believe that fossils were put in the rocks by God to lead unbelievers astray, who also believe that 'sin' came into the world in the way described in the Old Testament - Adam and Eve, the apple and the rest.

 

Do the folk at this Ranmoor Church not find evidence that their Vicar is lacking something,  that he can speak and write without bothering to think very much, that he's quite capable of ignoring clear-cut ethical issues when he's in full flow, in the grip of orthodox dogma?

 

Standards are no higher at St Mark's, the 'progressive' church - which not only labours under the weight of a surprising amount of old-fashioned orthodox dross but voluntarily takes on so much orthodox 'progressive' dross.

 

I provide detailed evidence, on wide-ranging pages of the site to support my view of orthodox Christian dogma, orthodox 'Woke' dogma and the 'Progressive' fusion of orthodox Christian dogma and orthodox 'Woke' dogma.

I take issue with this for different reasons, to do with the realities of farming, good and bad practice in farming. Matthew Rhodes says,

' ... the problem is not the quality of the ground that the seed falls on but the question of what to do with the weeds that grow up with the wheat. Obviously, this was before the invention of pesticides. When weeds appeared in a field of wheat, the slaves of the householder come to him and suggest that they pull them up. The weeds are taking up space, water and nutrients at the expense of the crop. But the householder tells them not to do this. If they pull up the weeds, he says, they risk pulling up the wheat as well. The time to separate them will be after the harvest.'

In fact, the time to separate them is when the weeds can be identified but are still at an early stage in their growth. If weeds are allowed to co-exist with the crop, then the yield is overwhelmingly likely to be very low, perhaps almost non-existent.

A matter of interest to me. In the sermon, Matthew Rhodes gives the information that he's a vegetarian. I've been a vegetarian since my mid-twenties, many decades ago. I don't view vegetarians as automatically worthy of respect or of being taken seriously. I've no page on vegetarianism but I do have an anti-vegan page.

 

The modest tone of this piece of his is appealing, in its way. This is someone I've talked to, and he comes across as one of the better clerics. Like the clerics who are markedly more impressive than the specimens on offer, he can offer hostages to fortune, plentiful supplies of incoherence, misconceptions, grotesque reasoning. But he, and clerics like him, are on a different level from Christian believers like this one. The extracts are from


https://renner.org/article/your-life-is-your-pulpit/

' ... the woman who served our table was a committed Christian. Since it was a slow day at the restaurant, we took a few minutes to talk to her ... “As a Christian, I am embarrassed to say it, but the most demanding customers — those who are the hardest to please and leave the smallest tips — are usually Christians. In fact, when people come into the restaurant carrying their Bibles, the waiters and waitresses immediately start fighting about who has to serve that table because we know it’s going to take a lot of work and they won’t leave much of a tip.”

She continued, “Isn’t it sad that a Bible in a person’s hands is the warning sign that trouble lies ahead?”

Hearing about this negative influence that Christians had exerted on the employees in that place of business, I decided to delve deeper and ask how this had affected those who worked with her. She categorically told me, “The people who work in this restaurant just can’t understand how Christians can go to church on Sunday and then come into this restaurant and treat the servers so badly. Most of the servers here would rather serve unbelievers because they treat them nicer and leave bigger tips.”

MY CONFESSION FOR TODAY [Written by someone not sanctified but sanctimonious]

I confess that I am a good witness for Jesus Christ! When people see me — how I live, how I talk, how I act, and how I treat others — they are left with a good impression of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is teaching me how to shine like a light in darkness to those without Christ who are around me. Because of my Christ-like example, many people without Jesus will come into the Kingdom of God. Since my life is the only sermon some people will ever hear, I will live my life each day in a way that accurately reflects the Person of Jesus Christ.

I declare this by faith in Jesus' name!

St Mark's Church, Sheffield

 


 

Most recent material on St Mark's, followed by less recent - but relevant - material

 

St Mark's Church is a member of the group of churches in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire called 'Arise.' Rock Christian Centre is another member of 'Arise.' This is from the Website of Rock Christian Centre:'

'The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.

'But His goodness is so great that His anger isn’t confined to the evils of rape and murder. Nothing is hidden from His pure and holy eyes. He is outraged by torture, terrorism, abortion, theft, lying, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, homosexuality, and blasphemy.'

' ...  your knowledge of God’s Law should help you to see that you have a life-threatening dilemma: a huge problem of God’s wrath (His justifiable anger) against your personal sins. The just penalty for sin—breaking even one Law—is death, and eternity in Hell.'

Jesus never condemned torture, just as he never condemned slavery. There's condemnation of homosexuality to be found in 'St' Paul, but Jesus never mentions the subject. The claims made by Rock Christian Centre amount to a confused mess, as also claims made by St Mark's. St Mark's Church has some explaining to do.

St Mark's may be a far more 'progressive'' church than many or most churches but I regard St Mark's as regressive as well as 'progressive.' I have serious criticisms to make of the church in its progressive (including 'woke') aspects as well as its regressive aspects.  In fact, St Mark's and St Mary's endorse large expanses of traditional Christian dogma, on all the evidence available to me.

 

The publicity material stresses the advantages - mention of 'leafy suburbs ... easy access to the Peak District ... short walk to green spaces and the city centre, with theatres, museums and music venues' but I think that the successful candidate should be aware that she may well face very challenging circumstances - challenges to Christian belief and practice, that is. A post in a rough inner-city neighbourhood could well be far easier.

 

I've sent emails to Malcolm Chamberlain at various times. The emails were about a review conducted by Barnardo's into alleged exorcism at a Sheffield church, Philadelphia Network Church, part of the 'STC family.' I was perturbed by the fact that long after the review was commissioned by Sheffield Diocese, no review had appeared. There's information about the case and the result of the Barnardo's Inquiry, which has now been published, in the section below on STC (formerly St Thomas Church).

 

Fastidious churches belonging to the Diocese and also belonging to 'Arise!' and no longer be grouped with rock-bottom churches such as Rock Christian Centre but they could hardly the Diocese. The financial inducements to stay are overwhelming. Clergy who would like to be paid regularly wouldn't be tempted. They are stuck there. There are no signs of a mass revolt. Sheffield Diocese is made up of churches with gender-neutral toilets, with a fluid notion of gender, and churches which teach (or believe, without daring to attract negative publicity) that homosexuality is a sin. There are churches which ignore texts such as 1 Corinthians 6:9, 'Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practise homosexuality,' whilst making frequent use of texts from St Paul, which would seem to be the policy of St Mark's. But can St Mark's state the criteria they use, other than simple convenience? There are churches which accept the complete package, without exceptions. But can they overcome the obstacles to complete acceptance, which force them to accept ludicrous, cruel, grotesque texts which can't possibly be guides to action?

 

Whereas churches such as the Rock Christian Centre are very clear about their terrifyingly ignorant doctrine of redemption and churches such as Christ Church Fulwood, St Thomas Crookes and St Thomas Philadelphia have orthodox views of redemption, the situation at St Mark's is far from clear. I intend to request clarification from the new Vicar and to publish, to publicize the new vicar's views on this and other theological issues.

 

The doctrine of redemption is a central doctrine of Christian belief. It entails the view that not all are redeemed. Universalists, who believe that nobody is excluded, are in the minority. To focus attention on one particular statement of doctrine, this is a record of a sermon preached at St Mary's Church Walkley on Remembrance Sunday.

 

https://stmaryswalkley.co.uk/2017/11/

 

Whoever is appointed to the post at St Mark's will be responsible for St Mary's as well. It's absolutely clear that the preacher believes that redemption is confined to believers in Jesus as Saviour.

 

The publicity material for the recruitment  includes this:

 

We seek someone who:

 

  • has a strong eucharistic and sacramental focus 

  • affirms inclusivity, appreciates diversity and sees God in everyone

  • will encourage participation and nurture new lay involvement, respecting the existing culture and theology while supporting and challenging us to be the best disciples we can be.

 

Beth Keith, appointed Vicar of St Mark's may be someone who 'sees God in everyone' (allegedly). Is she prepared to face the harsh realities which make this ability difficult or impossible - should be able to defends his or her view of things. The evidence against is massive and overwhelming. This is simply a selection. The World History channel publishes videos which give horrific information on the cruelties carried out by Nazis. These are some of them, the name of the Nazi, some of their acts, and the address of the video.


Karl Gebhardt

Execution of Nazi doctor who broke women’s legs with a hammer & amputated limbs without anesthesia
https://www.yout

ube.com/watch?v=739DyQuwdpU

Anton Thumann
Psychopathic Nazi officer who unleashed his dog on women & burned them alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZjaE1AXv


Hubert Krautwurst
Execution of Nazi guard who kicked out the eyes of prisoners & killed them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFPguxwtjXc&t=72s

Friedrich-Wilhelm Müller

Dorothea Binz


Less recent - but relevant - material on St Mark's

 

 The church was built 1868-1871 but the building was almost completely destroyed by a Nazi incendiary bomb during the 'Sheffield Blitz' of 12 December, 1940. Only the spire and a porch survived. These remnants were the basis of a new church, constructed 1958-1963. 

Sue Hammersley is [now: was] vicar at St Mark's Church. From the Youtube video 'Via Dolorosa.' Her facile and superficial address/sermon on suffering turns out to put the emphasis on something very different. She says,' This service is a reminder that God's love permeates every part of our life ... even our own sense of being crucified.' This is playing with words, words she finds impressive but with no relation to realities. From my comments below, quoting from the book by Peter Kolchin, 'American slavery:'

 

'Slaves who transgressed could look forward to a wide range of punishments - most imposed informally by owners and overseers but some officially meted out upon sentence by special slave courts that existed in all the Southern colonies - including branding, nose slitting; amputation of ears, toes, and fingers (and less often of hands and feet): castration; and burning at the stake.' 

 

Sue Hammenlsey, and the people who patiently listened to her address at St Marks, may feel 'We share your pain! We share your experience of being burned alive! They may feel that the victim has the assurance of God's love, which permeates every part of his or her life, until the flames do their work. What of what comes after? Does God's love suddenly end? Does it go beyond that? According to orthodox Christian belief, held by so many millions over the millennia, God then judges the slave burned alive, and if the slave hasn't accepted Christ as personal Lord and Saviour, then the slave spends an eternity of separation from God. It may well be that the slave was treated so atrociously (perhaps by a slave-owner who had this all-important faith in Christ) that he or she couldn't give thought to the destiny of the soul. The slave was preoccupied with punishments, such as branding and amputation, and back-breaking work.

If all this doesn't disturb Sue Hammersley's calm assurance that God's love permeates every part of a slave's life, then she could read the Wikipedia page on Thomas Thistlewood, an 18th century planter and slave-owner who emigrated to Jamaica.

 

I take the view that Sue Hammersley - and Beth Keith - find the 'word sphere' very congenial, certain realities much less congenial. There are vast numbers of Chistians who feel the same. The 'word sphere' in this sense allows the believer to indulge in complacency by spinning a web of words. Inside this cocoon of words for nice feelings, the glow of calm assurance can be enjoyed and indulged. Facts and harsh realities could disturb this spurious state, so facts and harsh realities of this kind aren't allow to intrude.

 

A pro-Palestinian event is due to take place at St Mark's. I won't be attending, of course, but may be able to make a contribution, even so. I think we can be sure that there will be no comment on the Palestinian treatment of homosexual people (I'll use the old-fashioned word for once, not the collection of letters.) Those attending may or may not be aware that when Hamas was running the territory (and ruining the territory) homosexuality was punishable with imprisonment for up to ten years. Gay people in Israel face no such restrictions. This is a country where massive gay pride events take place.

 

My page on Israel gives a great deal of material arguing the case for Israel. I point out that over the years, Palestinian casualties would have been very light if  only the Palestinians had followed this course of action: stop breaking ceasefires, stop firing rockets into Israel.

 

No responsible political party, no political party which wants to win a national election, no political party determined  to avoid lost deposits in elections, wherever possible, could follew the infantile and naive policies which seem to have such appeal to closed minds at St Mark's. I'm thinking of infantile and naive views on a variety of subjects, including unchecked migration to this country.

 

If there are people at St Mark's who disagree with any of this, or, more likely, all of this, then they can argue the contrary case - some evidence would be nice to have - but I don't think that's in the least likely.

 

The use of 'progressive' to describe the Christian views commonly held by St Mark ideologists is ridiculous. The people who use the word seem not to know that this is a word so often misused as to be barely usable now. It was used by communists in East Germany and other countries to describe their tyrannical system of government.

 

 

Above, part of a wreath supplied by the pacifist 'Peace Pledge Union.' An image of the wreath appears on the St Marks Facebook page.

 

Below, material on the Peace Pledge Union and its mixed but overwhelmingly poor record in relation to Nazi German. The wreath is 'for all those who have died or are dying in wars ... '  The Peace Pledge Union obviously thinks that the fallen are equally deserving - the Nazi soldiers who had previously carried out executions of civilians and massacres of civilians, the Nazi soldiers who promoted and fended the Nazi's demented and barbaric policies - and the soldiers of the allied forces who liberated the extermination and concentration camps and freed the world of the nightmare of Nazism. Some of the people at St Mark's Church seem not to have noticed this.

There's a great deal of material on St Mark's Church on my page on Christian Religion as well as other material relevant here, such as my comments on Christian belief and slavery, under the graphic image of a slave who has been flogged. 

 

The Nazi Holocaust and all the other Nazi barbarities were eventually brought to an end not by prayer, not by the Churches, not by earnest but naive people - I've reason to think that St Mark's Church contains some instructive examples -  but by military action, costly in lives, necessarily involving massive financial resources and resources of other kinds, and in so many other ways. I include more material on the Second World War here but begin with material on the American Civil War. This war brought an end to slavery in the United States, something which no amount of wishful thinking, praying or any other method had achieved. Ineffectual church goers of the St Mark's kind or any other kind had failed to end this nightmare.

 

From the Wikipedia entry on the Peace Pledge Union:

 

Like many in the 1930s, the PPU supported aspects of appeasement ... It backed Neville Chamberlain's   policy at Munich  in 1938, regarding Hitler's claims on the Sudetenland  as legitimate. At the time of the Munich crisis, several PPU sponsors tried to send "five thousand pacifists to the Sudetenland as a non-violent presence", however this attempt came to nothing.

 

Peace News editor and PPU sponsor Jahn Middleton Murry and his supporters in the group caused considerable controversy by arguing Germany should be given control of parts of mainland Europe. In a PPU publication, Warmongers, Clive Bell   said that Germany should be permitted to "absorb" France, Poland, the Low Countries and the Balkans. However, this was never the official policy of the PPU and the position quickly drew criticism from other PPU activists such asVera Brittain and Andrew Stewart. Clive Bell left the PPU shortly afterwards and by 1940 he was supporting the war.

 

Some PPU supporters were so sympathetic to German grievances that PPU supporter Rose Macaulay claimed she found it difficult to distinguish between the PPU newspaper Peace News and that of the British Union of Fascists (BUF), saying, "occasionally when reading Peace News, I (and others) half think we have got hold of the Blackshirt   [BUF journal] by mistake". There was Fascist infiltration of the PPU and M15  kept an eye on the PPU's "small Fascist connections".After Dick Sheppard's death in October 1937, George Orwell  , always hostile to pacifism, accused the PPU of "moral collapse" on the grounds that some members even joined the BUF.However, several historians note that the situation may have been the other way around; that is, BUF members attempted to infiltrate the PPU.

 

Historians have differed in their interpretation of the PPU's attitude to Nazi Germany. The historian Martin Gilbert   said, "it is hard to think of a British newspaper that was so consistent an apologist for Nazi Germany as Peace News," which "assiduously echoed the Nazi press's claims that far worse offences than the Kristallnacht events were a regular feature of British colonial rule". But David C. Lukowitz argues that, "it is nonsense to charge the PPU with pro-Nazi sentiments. From the outset it emphasised that its primary dedication was to world peace, to economic justice and racial equality," but it had "too much sympathy for the German position, often the product of ignorance and superficial thinking". Research by the historian Richard Griffiths,  , published in 2017, suggests considerable division and controversy at the top of the PPU, with the editors of Peace News being generally more willing to play down the dangers of Nazi Germany than were many members of the PPU Executive.

 

Controversy over the PPU's attitude towards Nazi Germany has continued ever since the war. In 1950, Rebecca West,   in her book The Meaning of Treason, described the PPU as "that ambiguous organisation which in the name of peace was performing many actions certain to benefit Hitler". The publishers removed the phrase from subsequent editions of the book following representations by the PPU, but West refused to apologise ...

 

Initially, the Peace Pledge Union opposed the Second World War  and continued to argue for a negotiated peace with Germany. On 9 March 1940, 2,000 people attended a PPU public meeting calling for a negotiated peace. PPU membership reached a peak of 140,000 in 1940.

The critical attitude towards the PPU in this period was summarised by George Orwell,  writing in the October 1941 issue of Adelphi magazine: "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi".

 

I wouldn't endorse his comment that 'objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi.' I do maintain that pacifists harmed the allied struggle to overcome Nazism. The harm was comparatively slight only because the pacifists were comparatively powerless, with very little influence over events.

 

Dr Margaret Ainger, St Mark's Eco Church, Sheffield

 

The naive group, Extinction Rebellion has been promoted on the St Mark's Website:

 

‘On 7 October, XR launched its largest worldwide action. In London thousands of rebels joined the rebellion for up to two weeks, spurred on by the need to act now for our climate before it is too late. Myself, and other members of St Mark's, are just some of those rebels. For us, XR speaks truth to power, where a strategy of non-violent disruptive civil disobedience is a way to make effective positive change in order to save this planet from human destruction. ‘My Christian faith felt central to the call from XR to ‘Act Now’, and I spent much of my time in London with Christian Climate Action (the Christian 'wing'), praying, taking part in actions, and doing the daily offices, including Eucharist in front of the police line. Despite the noise, the clamour, the thousands of arrests, the tears, the rain, the fear and the apprehension, it felt like a profoundly holy place. I was shoved, spat at by passers-by, threatened with a night in the cells but kept on, like so many others, joined in union and in partnership that though peaceful action profound change could be made. Christ was present in the mess of it all and with a collective hope (like fresh water) that we were once again renewed in God's call to us, to be stewards of God's creation... And it was good…’ Margaret Ainger.

 

I'm not sure if this was written by Margaret Ainger or by Lu Skerratt-Love, mentioned in various places on this site, including the section on this page on the Church Army, which gives infomation about some disastrously misguided actions of Tim Ling, of the same department.  Lu Skerratt-Love was employed by the Church Army, in the research department, and was a Trustee of St Mark's Church. But the most detailed account  of Lu Skerratt-Love and Tim Ling by far can be found in column 1 and column 2 of the page South Yorkshire Police: a knock at the door. South Yorkshire Police: a knock at the door 

 

In the orbit of St Mark's: St Mary's Church. Includes Dr Alan Billings (ex South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner) on theology and slavery

 

 

Above, 'St' Mark's Church, Walkley, Sheffield

 

There's more material on slaves in the column to the right - clicking here takes you to the place.

 

A Service at St Mary's Church:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQbwQEo2kvc&t=420s

 

 

 

6:23 minutes into the video, Dr Billings addresses the congregation (not shown at any point in the video but without any doubt at all, a very small congregation.)

 

'You'll have noticed on the way in that there is a protest happening opposite our church. [I describe the event as a 'display' or a 'presentation,' not a protest.] Someone [that is, me] has some signs up saying neither Jesus nor Paul opposed slavery. I don't know what it's all about. He is there. Theologically, of course, he's wrong. [Theologically, of course, Dr Billings is wrong, as I show.] Remember St Paul's great saying that in Christ there is neither male nor female, neither slave nor free, but all are one in Christ Jesus. ['St' Paul was referring to the equality of slave and free as Christian believers. Slave and free could all enter the 'Kingdom of Heaven.' St Paul believed that slaves who never accepted Christ as Saviour were destined to be eternally separated from God. He believed that Christian slave owners were redeemed, that non-Christian slaves were unredeemed. The difference in the rights of slaves and free throughout the Roman Empire was extreme. The testimony of a slave was only allowed in Roman courts if the slave was first tortured. If the master of a slave had been killed by a slave, all the slaves in the household could be executed.  Slaves could be and very often were maltreated, by flogging and many other means. Slaves were vulnerable to sexual and other forms of abuse. The children of slaves were regularly separated from their parents and sold at a slave market. I maintain that Dr Billings has flagrantly distorted the facts. In fact, I view his comments as amounting to prima facie falsification.] So I think theologically he's [referring to me] on the wrong track. But he's out there and we're in here and we can't put him right so I hope he doesn't disturb you. [My presentation, my display, what he refers to as my 'protest' was completely silent, so there was absolutely no chance of the least disturbance.]

 

Dr Billlings may not be very familiar with critical works on slavery, including works with critical material on slavery in New Testament times. The literature is, of course, vast. One of the works on by bookshelves is the very large and very well regarded book, 'The Slave Trade: The History of the Atlantic Slave Trade 1440 - 1870,' by Hugh Thomas. The Atlantic Slave Trade was carried out by Christians, Roman Catholics such as the Spanish and Portuguese slave traders, and Protestants, such as the British and the Dutch.

 

The author sets out reasons for the failure to criticize slave trade widely, the failure to abolish the slave trade until so late. He refers to the Stoic philosophy which was influential in the Roman Empire, and the influence of Christianity. He writes, ' ... neither Stoic nor Christian questioned the institution of slavery ... in the early days of Christianity, Christ's failure to talk specially of slaves was taken to imply that they were excluded from divine generosity.'

 

In fact, slaves were not excluded from divine generosity. Slaves, like free people, could gain 'eternal life,' provided that they accepted Christ as Saviour. What Christianity never did was to bring hope to slaves that they could be freed from slavery, freed from the intolerable sufferings which dominated the lives of vast numbers of slaves.

 

Peter Kolchin writes, in 'American slavery,' 'Slaves who transgressed could look forward to a wide range of gruesome punishments ... including branding, nose slitting, amputation of ears, toes, and fingers (and less often of hands and feet); castration, and burning at the stake.'

 

In the chapter 'The White South: Society, Economy, Ideology,' Peter Kolchin writes, 'Beginning in the 1830's, Southern spokesmen elaborated with increasing volume, detail, and sophistication a series of arguments in defense of the peculiar institution [the institution of slavery.]'

 

And this:

 

'Religious idioms pervaded the pro-slavery literature, in part because Protestant ministers played a leading role in the defense of slavery and in part because such language was well calculated to appeal to antebellum Southerners. Indeed, historian Drew Gilpin Faust suggested that "the Bible served as the core" of the "proslavery mainstream."

 

' ... To Southerners steeped in the Bible and predisposed to look to it for guidance, the facts that the ancient Hebrews (God's chosen people) owned slaves and that Jesus, who was not hesitant to condemn behaviour that he considered immoral, never criticized slavery or reproached anyone for owning slaves seemed to provide clear divine sanction for the peculiar institution ... But probably the most widespread and effective religious argument was the simple suggestion that slavery was part of God's plan to expose a hitherto heathen people to the blessings of Christianity.

 

When Dr Billings made his astonishing - and ignorant - claim in connection with Paul's attitude to slavery,  the claim, not in the least an original one, that slaves and free were all one in Christ and enjoyed the supposed blessings of that status, then he should have realized that slaves had the same 'advantage' (provided that they had converted to Christianity and had accepted Jesus) in the American Confederate states, before the abolition of slavery, in the mid nineteenth century. He ignores the fact that the everyday living conditions of slaves were horrific far more often than not, that their legal status as the property of free men and women was intolerable, that this was an institution which should have been abolished long ago.

 

According to the deeply misguided  - the hideous - view of Dr Billings, if slavery still existed in the United States of America, the slaves would enjoy the status of being 'all one' with free people in Christ. If this view were taken seriously, the abolition of slavery would seem not to be a matter of any great urgency. But the abolition of slavery was a matter of extreme importance. Christians may have overlooked its cruelties - did overlook its cruelties, in vast numbers, but emancipation had become far too important a matter to be ignored.

 

Jesus and St Paul and the Christians living in the Roman Empire, and the Christians of later centuries, failed and failed comprehensively, to see the reality of slavery. As it was, when Jesus and 'St' Paul gave their teaching on sin and redemption of sin, owning slaves, buying and selling slaves, did not count as a sin. Adultery did count as a sin.

 

In the letter 'Philemon,' Paul gives his opinion on the runaway slave. Paul was complacent and ignorant. He must have known that the owner of a runaway slave could mistreat the slave if the slave were to be returned. He must have known that the owner could execute the slave. Paul never even suggested that Philemon should free the slave. If he had suggested that, it would not have been enough. It would not have helped the slaves who lived in intolerable conditions and ran away because they felt they had no realistic alternative. St Paul had no contructive - humane - suggestions to make concerning this aspect of the society he lived in - or many other aspects of the society.

 

Jesus failed comprehensively, 'St' Paul failed comprehensively, and so did the members of the early church and the vast majority of Christians over the centuries of 'Christian belief.'

 

His very brief dismissal of my views on these matters, as 'theologically wrong' was very mistaken and very misguided. I intend to do much more than simply record my own view on this page. I think a public exchange of views - Dr Billings versus myself - would clarify matters. If a suitable venue could be found, then a kind of debate would be very, very useful - but I don't expect Dr Billings, or St Mary's Church or St Mark's Church or the Sheffield Diocese to be very eager to take part in a debate.

 

I have a range of campaigning techniques which I'm able to use and intend to use, if necessary. I don't intend to give Dr Billings the satisfaction of feeling that he's won some kind of victory, that he's emerged from this with any credit, with an enhanced reputation as a theologian.

 

This is the man who misused his position as South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner, in my view, by interpolating his Christian views. He did this from an early stage in his tenancy of the office.

 

In the publication 'Keeping Safe,' 'The Police and Crime Plan for South Yorkshire 2017 - 2021,' he saw foot to include, in a very prominent position, inside the cover of the publication, in a massive text size, this quotation from Jeremiah, 29:7, "Seek the well-being of this place ... for in its well-being you will find your own.' This extract was taken out of context. He was, and still is, a Christian vicar and it was a bad mistake to promote Christian views in this way.

 

I've much more material on Dr Billings on the extensive  page Alan Billings, South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner.  See also my page Billingsgate.

 

 

Above, Bishop Stephen Elliott, a Bishop of the Episcopal Church in mid 19th century Virginia, USA - and a slave owner. Like countless slave owners in the pre-bellum Southern States, be believed that slavery was legitimate because it was nowhere forbidden in the Bible. In fact, it was clear to him that neither Jesus nor St Paul opposed the institution of slavery. Bishop Elliott even took the view that slavery had increased the number of Christian converts. He wrote of

 

' ... the thousands, nay, I may say millions, who have learned the way to Heaven and who have been made to know their Savior through the means of African slavery! At this very moment there are from three to four millions of Africans, educating for earth and for Heaven in the so vilified Southern States—learning the very best lessons for a semi-barbarous people—lessons of self-control, of obedience, of perseverance, of adaptation of means to ends; learning, above all, where their weakness lies ... '

 

Bishop Elliott certainly believed that the many millions of slaves who were never converted were consigned to hell.

 

Which brings me to a challenge to Dr Billings. What are your views on the doctrine of redemption. Do you believe - or think it likely - that slaves who never accepted Jesus as Saviour  are eternally separated from God? What of the people of South Yorkshire? You were the South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner for South Yorkshire. Do you believe - or think it likely - that all the people of South Yorkshire who never accept Jesus as Saviour are eternally separated from God?

 

Is it too much to expect a degree of clarity on this point?

 

From my page

 

https://www.linkagenet.com/themes/alan-billings-pcc-scrutiny-accountability2.htm

 

Sergeant Kirkham and Alan Billings attended the relaunch of the Christian Police Association, as reported in the newspaper 'The Star.' (20 May, 2017.)

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/christian-police-association-re-launched-in-sheffield-470835

Members of the public joined South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Dr Alan Billings, Chief Constable Stephen Watson, officers and police support staff at the Rock Christian Centre in Carlisle Street.

Dr Billings and the chief were presented with specially commissioned South Yorkshire Police crested bibles by Thomas of Gideons International. Sergeant Simon Kirkham, a Rotherham police officer, delivered the reading to around 150 colleagues, support staff and members of the public who enjoyed music from the worship band.

Sergeant Kirkham has Conservative Evangelical beliefs. The beliefs endorsed by the Christian Police Association, the Rock Christian Centre and the Gideons are Conservative Evangelical beliefs, which include the belief that all people - including the people of South Yorkshire and colleagues of Simon Kirkham (and of Alan Billings) are destined to hell if they do not accept Jesus as their personal lord and saviour.


Does Alan Billings suppose that the belief of the Rock Christian Centre, and the beliefs of those others, are irrelevant? Would he have attended an event at a place which promotes hideous beliefs of a non-Christian kind?

Was Dr Billings aware that at the time he attended this event at the Rock Christian Centre, the Centre had no person responsible for safeguarding? It does have one now. I very much hope that enquiries will be made, by the Police and Crime Panel, the Independent Ethics Panel, or Dr Billings himself. It isn't likely that Rock Christian Centre would respond to a query made by me. I strongly believe in the importance of documentation which is as thorough as possible, taking into account such constraints as the time available. I think it would be important to find out when the decision was made by Rock Christian Centre to appoint a Safeguarding Officer, an appointment which should have been made long before. Of course, making an appointment does not guarantee that the person appointed has the skills and qualities necessary for such a post.


Churches, including Churches in South Yorkshire,  began appointing Safeguarding Officers not solely as a response to well-publicized and very disturbing cases of abuse and abuse which went on for very long periods of time perpetrated by non-Christians. There have been very serious cases of abuse - and abuse which went on for long periods of time - perpetrated by Christians. The evidence is substantial - massive. In many cases, the evidence that emerged at the time was ignored by Church authorities and others, including, too often, police forces. Any supposition that Christians cannot possibly be responsible for abuse or only very rarely is contradicted by the facts.

This is yet another reason for giving no preferential treatment to Christian faith and to Christians, a reason for maintaining strict impartiality. And similarly for issues which have nothing to do with abuse. If a Christian makes a complaint against a non-Christian, then the police should observe the principle of equality before the law, better expressed in this instance as equality of treatment.


I provide next a long section, an extract from my page on
 Church Abuse, a page which is very much in need of revision and extension, as well as deletion of material which since publication has now been published on other pages. When time permits, I will carry out the necessary revision, extension and deletion. The extract conveys yet more reasons for my view that Alan Billings, whilst giving the appearance of openness, has failed to take into account large areas of Christian practice, or has been very selective in the material he has chosen to publicize, omitting material which is relevant but which would not fit his narrative. 


I provide further evidence on the page

 

https://www.linkagenet.com/themes/fefe-christianity-south-yorkshire-police.htm

which includes statements on the beliefs of the Christian Police Association. Which of these beliefs does Alan Billings share? Which of them, if any, does he reject?

 

  • We Believe

    That the Bible, as originally given, is the inspired Word of God without error and is the only complete authority in all matters of faith and doctrine.
    That sin entered the world when man chose to disobey God and please himself. Since then sin has affected the core of humanity, touching every part of our nature and being.
    That it is only by God’s grace and mercy that the sinful person is made right with Him through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

  • We Believe

    That the soul of a person is eternal and that there will be a physical resurrection of the body for everyone who will then be judged by the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who have died having believed and received forgiveness will be raised, and together with those believers who are still alive, will be taken to live with Christ forever. Those who have refused to believe will be condemned from God’s presence forever.

     

    It's clear that according to this statement of belief, Roman slave owners who had sold slave children in the slave market and who had had slaves tortured before they gave testimony in court received forgiveness if they died as Christian believers. Slave children and adult slaves who failed to accept Jesus as Saviour would be 'condemned from God's presence forever.'

     

    This would have been the fate of the Roman slaves who were exposed to ferocious Roman discipline. From the Wikipedia page

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_
    in_ancient_Rome

     

    'As the Romans increased the numbers of slaves they held, their fear of them grew, as did the severity of discipline.] Cato the Elder whipped the household slaves for even small mistakes and kept his enslaved agricultural workers in chains during the winter ... The physician Galen observed slaves being kicked, beaten with fists, and having their teeth knocked out or their eyes gouged out, witnessing the impromptu blinding of one slave by means of a reed pen.'

     

    Any supposition that no Christians would mistreat people in extreme ways is wide of the mark. From my page

     

    https://www.linkagenet.com/themes/fefe-churchabuse.htm

     

    The case of John Smythe.  Extract from the page

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/21/bleeding-for-jesus-book-tells-story-of-qc-who-pitilessly-abused-young-men

     
    After five years of sadistic beatings in a garden shed by one of the UK’s most prominent barristers, and with a “special beating” to mark his 21st birthday imminent, Andy Morse tried to take his own life.

     

    The student had endured thousands of lashes on his naked buttocks administered in the name of Jesus by John Smyth QC. He could no longer endure the pain, terror and humiliation.

    Fortunately, his housemates broke down the bathroom door and called an ambulance. But Morse was not Smyth’s only victim. There are more than 100 known survivors, and perhaps many others: public schoolboys who took part in a network of military-style Christian holiday camps in the 1970s and 80s.

     

    A new book, Bleeding for Jesus, tells the story of Smyth, the moral crusader who fought legal battles for “Christian values” in Britain’s courts while allegedly mercilessly abusing young men at his Hampshire home, and the Iwerne Trust, which organised the “Bash camps” that were his hunting ground and which turned a blind eye to his activities.

     

    ...

     

    The Iwerne project, which Graystone describes as a cult, recruited “young men who were the brightest and best from the most elite schools in the country to win them for the Christian faith, to create a church of purity within the wider Church of England”, he said.

     

    It produced many of the most prominent conservative evangelical leaders within the C of E over the past 40 years. Many see themselves as “the guardians of the true gospel against the forces of liberalism”.

     

    According to the book, their number include Nicky Gumbel, the driving force behind the highly influential Alpha course run by churches all over the country; David Sheppard, who played cricket for England before becoming bishop of Liverpool, and several others who became bishops. Justin Welby, the archbishop of Canterbury, was briefly embroiled in Iwerne’s holiday camps in the late 1970s.

     ...

    Graystone said the Iwerne project, in line with most cults, relied on three pillars: conversion, conditioning and coercion. Recruits had to “declare total allegiance to Jesus”, follow certain codes and practices, and observe “sexual purity”. He said it was “highly exclusive – this was not a movement for the poor. It accrued huge amounts of power, influence and wealth.”

 

Greenwashing STC Network Eco-Church, Sheffield, member, Evangelical Alliance

 

To go to my discussion of Greenwashing and its significance in this section, please click here.

 

 

STC used to be known as St Thomas Church. Under both names, the church has shown poor judgment, or some of the people at the church or invited to the church have shown poor judgment - a very charitable way of putting it. Below, more on Chris Brain and the notorious 'Nine o' Clock Service' and a much more restricted error of judgment, the invitation to Mike Pilavachi. I explain why it was an error below. I also give information about a serious set of mistakes not at STC itself but at one of the churches associated with STC. Do staff at STC have a belief in demonic possession as a cause of homosexuality? Are they willing to state their beliefs and to explain them?

 

 

Above, depiction of a demon. See below, demonic possession and an attempted exorcism. The exorcism took place not at STC itself but at a Network member church, Philadelphia

 

Above, Mike Pilavachi.

 

St Thomas Church endorsed his work. From the Facebook page, 16 April 2020:

 

St Thomas' Church

 

BOOK N’ CAKE starts tonight!!!The book is ‘Wasteland? Encountering God in the desert’ by Mike Pilavachi. For this week you will need to have read chapter 1.


From the page

 

https://www.churchofengland.org/media/press-releases/concerns-substantiated-mike-pilavachi-investigation

 

Concerns substantiated in Mike Pilavachi investigation

 

06/09/2023

 

The internal Church investigation into Mike Pilavachi, being conducted by the National Safeguarding Team, NST, and the diocese of St Albans, has now concluded. Having explored the safeguarding concerns fully, according to House of Bishops guidance, the investigation team has concluded that they are substantiated ...

 

The overall substantiated concerns are described as an abuse of power relating to his ministry, and spiritual abuse; described in guidance as ‘a form of emotional and psychological abuse characterised by a systematic pattern of coercive and controlling behaviour in a religious context’. It was concluded that he used his spiritual authority to control people and that his coercive and controlling behaviour led to inappropriate relationships, the physical wrestling of youths and massaging of young male interns.

 

Chris Brain and the 'Nine o' Clock Service at St Thomas Church (now STC).

 

 Chris Brain is due to face trial this year for events which took place at St Thomas Church.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_O%27Clock_Service

The Nine O'Clock Service ("NOS") was a youth-orientated alternative Christian worship service started in 1986 at St Thomas' Church in Crookes, Sheffield, England, by a group of musicians and artists ... the service was stopped in 1995 following allegations of sexual and emotional abuse.

Beginning as a simple alternative format service under the leadership of Chris Brain, the group responsible for it developed a leadership structure that was endorsed by the leadership of St Thomas' Church. The average age of the members was 24 for much of NOS's life. The membership was significantly from non-church backgrounds.

Starting with about 10 people who worked on designing and creating the services, the congregation grew to almost 600 members while resident at St Thomas' Church ...

The number of community members stopped growing and service attendance plateaued at about 300. A significant practical weakness in terms of duty of care was the lack of accountability for NOS and its absence from diocesan accountability. This was allowed because of its perceived international significance, which in the end came to nothing. Plans for communities elsewhere were in talks.

In 1995, a number of complaints began to surface of the sexual abuse of women in the group by Chris Brain. After an investigation by the Diocese of Sheffield, the group was shut down in August 1995. The Bishop of Sheffield demanded Brain's resignation after he confessed to having sexual relationships with young women in the congregation.

Prosecution of Chris Brain for multiple sexual offences

On 1 February 2024 South Yorkshire Police announced that Christopher Brain had been summonsed to appear at Sheffield Magistrates' Court on 18 March 2024 to face a total of 34 charges of sexual offences (one of rape, 33 of indecent assault) against 11 members of the Nine O'Clock Service congregation. The police appealed for any further potential victims or witnesses to come forward ... On 30 April 2024 Christopher Brain appeared at Inner London Crown Court and pleaded not guilty to one charge of rape and 33 charges of indecent assault regarding 11 women, all members of NOS. The offences are alleged to have taken place between 1981 and 1995. He was released on unconditional bail and was next due to appear for a case management hearing on 10 June 2024 at the same court (Inner London Crown Court). His trial was set for 30 June 2025 and is expected to last eight to ten weeks.

STC is part of the church network which also includes St Thomas Network Philadelphia. There's material on the  alleged attempt to drive out demons supposedly causing the homosexuality of Matthew Drapper in the next section.

Greenwashing

More and more churches are publicizing their role as 'environmental saviours.' More and more churches are basking in the sunshine of environmentalism and claiming in their publicity material, in effect, 'Aren't we wonderful!' My environmental projects are one interest among many, but my environmental interests are very strong. Many environmental initiatives may well enhance the appearance of a neighbourhood and may even have other benefits, but the benefits for that much, much bigger task, addressing climate change and its massive impact, attempting to reduce climate temperatures, and the rest are overwhelmingly likely to be not even negligible.

 Even if every church in the country with land available planted wildflower seeds (getting the wild flowers to appear year after year can be a challenging task, and some technical knowledge is necessary or desirable) then the impact upon climate change would be effectively nothing at all.

There are practical steps which can be taken which would be useful, to an extent and the churches can certainly do what they can to encourage them, but these acts too can be not much more than token gestures - or may not even amount to token gestures.

Thanks to A Rocha UK, that giant amongst Christian environmental organizations (but an environmental organization whose impact is very, very limited) churches are discovering a very convenient way to boost their image and deflect attention from their faults - applying for Bronze, Silver and Gold A Rocha UK awards.

STC is one of the greenwashed multitude. Who would think that the history of STC is, let's say, very mixed, in need of this newer form of whitewashing? To judge by the STC Website, the church is amazing, and the environmental mentions do nothing to detract from that.

The page

https://www.stcsheffield.org/ecochurch

contains many claims.

As Christians, we want to do God’s will and see the Kingdom come. Caring for creation is part of our mission, to glorify our Creator and Redeemer.

This is a 'Hellfire for all' (except the minority who have received Jesus as Redeemer) Church. All the people working for the company or companies who supplied the Yellow Rattle seeds mentioned in the 'Stories' section, all the people working in any capacity anywhere to mitigate the effects of climate change, and, of course, all the ordinary-extraordinary people who live in the parish, the whole of Sheffield, in fact, everyone, anywhere are living under this shadow - if they fail to accept Jesus as redeemer for any reason, whatever their age (see my material on redemption and age in the section to the left) then they are doomed, they will spend eternity in separation from God.

This catastrophic crisis of environmental degradation and climate change affects the future of human civilisation - and the main cause of the crisis is human activity: we’ve failed to follow God’s direction.

If God was the supposed creator of this world - God is supposedly all-good and all-powerful - why did this being create a world with so many defects, many of them catastrophic defects. Earthquakes have killed massive numbers of people over the centuries. By no stretch of the imagination can  human activity be blamed for this killing. The toll from just a few earthquakes:

The 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake:  227,898 confirmed fatalities.
The 
2010 Haiti earthquake with about 160,000 fatalities.
The 
2008 Sichuan earthquake with 87,587 fatalities.
2005 Kashmir earthquake in Pakistan with 87,351 fatalities.
2023 The Turkey–Syria earthquakes with at least 59,488 fatalities.

It wasn't human activity which created the pathogenic organisms, including bacteria and viruses.

The deaths from plague in the Derbyshire village of Eyam in the seventeenth century are a reminder that in the pre-industrial age, when nature was subject to so much less human activity, there were deadly diseases.

The Black Death - bubonic plague - killed 25 - 30 million people, between 30% and 60% of the European population in the years 1346 - 1353.
Estimates for the death toll caused by the Plague of Justinian - again, bubonic plague - are very variable. The lowest estimate is about 15 million, killing 25% of the European population in the years 541 - 549.
Smallpox or measles killed 5 - 15 million, 25 - 33% of the Roman population between the years 165 and 180.

The list of infectious diseases is long. A few examples, with the CFR (case fatality rate, the percentage of people diagnosed with the disease who die from it):

rabies (100%)
pneumonic plague (100%)
African trypanosomiasis (99%)
Tuberculosis (43%)

Jesus supposedly cured a few people but these supposed miracles were token gestures, leaving the massive problem of disease completely unaffected. He gave no hints as to the best way of taking action against these diseases. Effective action came only with the patient discoveries of scientific medicine and the extraordinary achievements of people in setting up the systems needed to bring their benefits to massive numbers of people.

The supposed creator left this country with very few edible plants and even fewer worth eating. Staples such as potatoes were brought to this country from far away countries, by dangerous voyages, again, by human achievement, not divine achievement.

The supposed creator left the supply of drinking water in a precarious state - drinking from muddy ditches or rivers with no drinking water fit to drink - no water safe to drink in pre-industrial times. The massive works of civil engineering, supported by other branches of engineering, which brought safe water from reservoirs and other sources are again human benefits, not divine benefits in the least.

The life of humanity in a state of nature was described by Hobbes as 'nasty, brutish and short.'

Stories

 

  • February 2024 – New article published on plastics.

  • October 2023 – The grass in the churchyard has been cut and Yellow Rattle seeds planted for next season.

  • August 2023 – We received our Silver Eco Church Award from A Rocha.

  • May 2023 Churchyard ‘re-wilding’: we have been leaving the grass in the churchyard to grow long in the hope of encouraging insects and wildflowers to flourish in this space.

  • February 2023Caring for Creation in Lent – we included some tips in our weekly church emails throughout Lent encouraging our church family to ‘give up’ or ‘take up’ various things throughout the season of Lent.

  • October 2022 – We held an ‘Eco Church Sunday’ with encouraging messages shared at all three church gatherings on our responsibility to care for the world and the people in it!

  • July 2022 – We received our Bronze Eco Church Award from A Rocha.

  • May 2022 – We installed two bird boxes for swifts on the church building.  They are located under the roofline on the north side of the main church opposite the Prayer Shed.

  • These aren't very significant changes, surely? To suppose that these very low-level changes will help to 'care for the world and the people in it' amounts to wild exaggeration, a complete failure to take into account proportion and real achievement.

  • How much did the Church spend on these eco-efforts? It can't have been much - an insignificant amount compared with the large sums they spent on trying to convert the people of the suburb, the people of the city and people further away. It isn't necessary to consult the financial records of the Church to be certain that this is so. If the emphasis is placed on the church's supposed achievement in improving the environment, then potential donors to the church should surely realize that this is an exorbitantly costly way of achieving these very limited objectives.

  • A Silver Eco Church Award doesn't seem to require too much strenuous work, no great commitment. I'm sure that the church views preaching to the unconverted as much more important, including all the unconverted people and organizations who work for the environment. I don't expect that this church - or perhaps any other church with similar views on redemption - publishes figures for the people they've saved from Hellfire by converting them. What's stopping them? How many people did you convert last year? In the past five years?

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Network Church, Sheffield, member, Evangelical Alliance. Jesus driving out demons. The case of Matthew Drapper

Members of a Sheffield church allegedly attempted to drive out the demons believed to have brought about the homosexuality of Matthw Drapper. More on the case later.

 

 

The churches which make up the Sheffield Diocese are very, very varied. Some of these churches pride themselves upon their sophistication. St Mark's is one of them.  They have freed themselves from some of the harsh dogmas which were commonplace - universal - in the many centuries of Christian dominance. But they still have massive doctrinal baggage. They have many questions to answer. In fact, driving out demons is a Bible-based activity.

In the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and John), Jesus is recorded as performing many alleged miracles involving exorcisms of people supposedly possessed by demons. In the 'Miracle of the Gadarene Swine,' the expelling of demons by Jesus is achieved by sending the 'demons' into pigs, who rush down a hill into the sea and are drowned. (A long line of theological commentators, including 'Saint' Augustine of Hippo and 'Saint' Thomas Aquinas, argued that the fate of the pigs showed that Christians have no duties to animals. Throughout most of the history of Christianity, indifference to cruelty to animals has been a constant.)

 

In Matthew 10:7, 8 Jesus is recorded as sending out twelve apostles, with these instructions:

 

'As you go, announce that the Kingdom of Heaven will soon be here. Heal the sick, raise the dead, heal people who have leprosy and force out demons ... '

 

(The New Testament Greek for the last clause, 'force out demons,' is

 

The translation of the King James Bible is 'cast out devils.' It consistently uses 'devils' instead of 'demons.')

 

 Later Christians have taken texts like this as encouragement to drive out demons too, to think of psychiatric conditions and many illnesses as caused by demonic possession, curable by casting out demons. The published report upholds all the complaints of Matthew Drapper.  Attempts made by the Sheffield Diocese to disassociate itself from exorcisms of demons have the difficulty that Jesus himself resorted to exorcism of 'demons' repeatedly. St Mark's Church obviously endorses a great deal of Biblical teaching, rejects some parts and downplays others. But so far as I've been able to discover, the Church is silent about the parts which are approved, the parts which it rejects and the parts which it downplays. It's less than honest, in fact. I realize that there may be significant differences of opinion (or 'faith') amongst staff members and members of the congregation (some members of the congregation may well be, to all intents and purposes, agnostics rather than Christian believers.)

 

Do staff members and members of the congregation accept that according to the New Testament accounts, Jesus drove out demons? They have to accept that, surely. Do they believe that Jesus actually drove out demons from people? Perhaps they believe that this actually happened, but that conditions have changed since then. Now, there are no longer demons, certainly not in the New Testament sense.

 

From what I have read, St Mark's response to the findings of the Barnardo's report has been muted, but I would put it more strongly. I find it completely inadequate.

 

The fact is that St Mark's is a constituent church of the Church of England, the Sheffield Diocese. So too is Christ Church and so too is STC (St Thomas church) and the Philadelphia Network Church (St Thomas Philadelphia) where Matthew Drapper was treated to a procedure resembling something from Medieval times - or something from New Testament times.

 

I take the view that the Sheffield Diocese and all the churches that make up the diocese are beyond redemption (used, of course, in the everyday sense, not the specific Christian sense), that all the dioceses are beyond redemption, and so too churches not part of the Anglican Communion.

 

More on the Matthew Drapper case.

 

From the BBC page

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englandsouthyorkshire-61106998  14 April, 2022

 

Children's charity Barnado's is to conduct a review into claims conversion therapy was performed at a church.

 

Matthew Drapper said he suffered long-term trauma after undergoing a form of "exorcism" at Sheffield's St Thomas Philadelphia church [part of the Sheffield Diocese] eight years ago.

 

Barnado's said the Diocese of Sheffield had asked it to carry out a "comprehensive and independent investigation" into Mr Drapper's claim.

 

St Thomas church has denied it engaged in any conversion therapy.

 

A Barnardo's spokesperson said its review would look into allegations that an individual was "discriminated against at St Thomas' Philadelphia Church due to their sexuality".

Mr Drapper, 33, previously told the BBC he was made to repeatedly shout a prayer during a 20-minute session, which left him "cramping up and struggling to breathe".

 

More on Matthew Draper's experiences and the outcome after this material on Jesus and demons.

 

"They told me to speak to the gay part of myself as if speaking to a wild dog coming up to me - and for me to say to 'leave my body'," he said.

"The people I was with told me they could see demons leave me and go out of the window."

Mr Drapper said he came from a strict Christian background and joined the church in his mid-20s, roughly a decade after he realised he was gay.

Image caption,

The Sheffield church has previously said it would participate with any investigation.

 

The Venerable Malcolm Chamberlain, for the Diocese of Sheffield, said in February it was responding to Mr Drapper's complaint and had commissioned a review with his agreement ...

 

The report has now been published and is, in my view, exemplary:

 

https://www.sheffield.anglican.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Stage-1-report-redacted-ii.pdf

 

The report is  thorough and includes specific information about beliefs held by many conservative evangelicals and other orthodox Christians, even including 'List of possible demonic entry points.' Some brief extracts. 'MD' is the complainant, Matthew Drapper.

 

[77] In our conversations and from records made available to us, it is clear that MD had struggled for a number of years to understand his sexual attraction towards men and was equally challenged by his faith in God amid the Church’s traditional scriptural teachings that homosexual activity was a sin.

 

[78] ' ... there were sessions delivered by church leaders in which interns were ‘taught’ about how demons entered the bodies of Christians,  influencing thoughts, behaviours and decisions in ways that were not easily recognised; lists were circulated and have been seen by us about categories of demons and what activities  provoked their appearance. These experiences shared with us by MD were corroborated in other conversations held with some of the individuals who came forward to speak with us … ‘we would have people coming in to tell us how to get rid of demons ... ’

 

[79] We were contacted by an individual who had some involvement with the Church and who a]ended a course there, in

17 on Inner Healing and Deliverance. A book 37 handed out to participants described the link between spirit possession and homosexuality and the ways in which these spirits should and could be expelled and how, as a consequence, homosexuals would be ‘healed’.

 

[80] It is clear from information  provided to us that deliverance ministries in relaFon to homosexuality was endorsed and supported by the Church. Contained within the previously mentioned book are statements which state that there are ‘many different ways in which people can become infested with evil spirits [and] Satan will gain entry wherever there is a place of vulnerably [and] ‘a homosexual spirit will call to another’. We heard from other contributors of times when they were present and heard about or observed ministries which sought to ‘heal’ homosexuals. recalled that some years previously they had a]ended a session in which a homosexual had his demons cast from him and he was no longer gay; told us of a work colleague who was gay and had been told by a Church leader that he needed to be ‘cured’. It is our view that the theological doctrine which teaches that homosexuals need to be healed and can be cured through prayer and the banishing of evil spirits supports MD’s description  of the prayer session he experienced in February 2014.

 

[89] MD recalls in his notebook that during his prayer session he was told he was not taking responsibility for his own choices, and this was due to the fact that he had inherited from his family a ‘Hereditary Demon.

 

[90] From the descriptions provided by MD and other contributors these prayer sessions were highly charged and emotionally  intense and we were told, when asked, there was an assumption  that support would be offered in their ‘huddles’, described as sort of brief daily get-together to share thoughts and experiences. We found no evidence that any other support systems were in place or any requirement for assessments to be undertaken for anyone subject to prayer sessions who may have referred to abuse or trauma on the form submi]ed to the prayer weekend. With the exception  of the individuals from the Church, no other contributors with whom we spoke could recall whether the Church had a safeguarding officer in place at the time.

 

[91] Some contributors with whom we had contact, referred to their own experiences and recalled that their [prayer] experiences seemed to be designed to increase their emotional vulnerabilities. Some described having a visceral/physical reaction  to the experience, which was then regarded by the prayer team as proof of spirit possession.’

 

[118] ...  our findings lead us to conclude that on the balance of probabilities  the events referred to by MD in his complaint happened in the way he described and are therefore all substantiated.

 

[119] This complaint was first brought to the attention of the Church and the Diocese in November 2019 and related to events which took place almost a decade ago. Sadly, the complaint has taken 4 years to conclude, and this has not been in the interests of MD or any other parties  or individuals who have expressed an interest in the outcome of the investigation  or who were asked to contribute to it. The investigation  offers a stark reminder of the importance of safeguarding the welfare and well-being of all of the charity’s beneficiaries, including LGBTQ+ individuals.

 

[120] The conclusion of Part 1 of this iinvestigation  now invites the Church to consider its response to the findings and decide how it will respond to MD as the complainant, given all four aspects of his complaint have now been substantiated  through an independent process.

 

From the page

 

https://survivingchurch.org/2024/06/21/items-from-the-safeguarding-world-sheffield-and-ireland/

 

 

There is a theme that binds together two recent stories that have been drawn to my attention about safeguarding.  Both illustrate the way that important safeguarding stories often get overlooked.  One suspects that those involved want them buried in a sea of information.  There is the hope that they will achieve minimal publicity in spite of their importance for the maintenance of high standards right across the Church.  The first story concerns the Diocese of Sheffield and some ‘final recommendations’ from the Bishop of the Diocese following an ‘independent Review of Safeguarding Arrangements in St Thomas’ Philadelphia Church’.  St Thomas’ is an ecumenical parish in Sheffield known as the Network Church.  It is jointly run and overseen by Baptist, Independent and Anglican trustees.  The Review was in connection with a complaint about abusive pastoral practice towards a gay man, Matt Drapper.  The details of this episode, involving an attempted exorcism and its outcome, are vividly described in his book Bringing Me back to Me.  The authorities of the Church of England, and the other Trustees, commissioned Barnardo’s to carry out an independent Review.  One of the outcomes was a formal apology by the Trustees to Matt for the episode which took place in 2014.  This apparent triumph of safeguarding protocol is marred by the fact that the Barnardo’s Review is being placed under an embargo so that no one, not even Matt, can read it or have access to it in the future.  It is not surprising that the complainant feels aggrieved when, although he has received an apology, he is shut out from knowing anything that was recommended in the report.   Matt makes the valid point that any discussion about healing prayer, exorcism and conversion therapy has implications for the wider church.  An apology with no attempt to attribute responsibility or explain how things went wrong is a poor thing.  Theological differences about the nature of prayer, healing and deliverance are maybe just too difficult to find agreement on. In this way the church finds it easier to close down the details of any discussion on the topic.  Thus no one has to face the issue of how some Christian beliefs raise profoundly important pastoral issues.  Should Church leaders ever tolerate ‘biblical ministry’ harming and abusing vulnerable individuals in the name of following biblical values?  Readers of this blog will be familiar with the way that the criminality of John Smyth was backed up by some deft quotes from Scripture which suggested that the suffering of Christ was a path to be followed by his followers.   The Sheffield episode leaves us with an admittance that abusive practices took place, and which needed to be apologised for, but currently, no one wants to discuss the implications of what happened.  It is also scarcely credible that such practices were only a one-off event.  It would be very interesting to know what the Barnado’s reviewers had to say about this question.  What is described in Matt’s published account described practices which go way beyond the authorised guidelines published for the Church of England’s deliverance advisers.

 

Whirlow Spirituality Centre, Sheffield

 

From the page

 

https://www.arisesheffield.org/stories/whirlow

 

Joy Adams, Chaplain at Whirlow Spirituality Centre In conversation with Leonie Martin

 

The article is a soothing little piece which mainly repeats the soothing platitudes of the Whirlow Spirituality Centre's Website.

 

See, for example, the pages

 

https://www.whirlowspiritualitycentre.org/

purpose-and-values

https://www.whirlowspiritualitycentre.org/

whats-on/2022/contemplative-dialogue

https://www.whirlowspiritualitycentre.org/

blog/instrument-of-peace

 

But things aren't all they seem. The pages aren't deep and profound but superficial. They are evasive. They ignore everything which would challenge their view of the world.

 

The people at Whirlow Spirituality Centre would do well to scrutinize more, much more. Are they aware that 'Arise' includes amongst its many members Rock Christian Centre, Sheffield. An extract from the Rock Christian Centre Website:

The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.

'But His goodness is so great that His anger isn’t confined to the evils of rape and murder. Nothing is hidden from His pure and holy eyes. He is outraged by torture, terrorism, abortion, theft, lying, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, homosexuality, and blasphemy.'

' ...  your knowledge of God’s Law should help you to see that you have a life-threatening dilemma: a huge problem of God’s wrath (His justifiable anger) against your personal sins. The just penalty for sin—breaking even one Law—is death, and eternity in Hell.'

My comment:

Jesus never condemned torture, just as he never condemned slavery. There's condemnation of homosexuality to be found in 'St' Paul, but Jesus never mentions the subject. The claims made by Rock Christian Centre amount to a confused mess, as also claims made by Whirlow Spirituality Centre. Whirlow Spirituality Centre has some explaining to do.

These are people leading, in effect, a privileged - and parasitic - life. They depend upon people doing the everyday work of the world, the committed,  intensely demanding, highly skilled work of the world, with activities as varied as the supply of clean drinking water, the taking away of sewage, the protection of communities against threats posed by violent crime and possible invasion, none of them achievable by people who take part at all frequently in extended periods of silent reflection, people who ignore pressing demandss, people who ignore inconvenient realities. The people involved in the Whirlow Spirituality Centre may well have had to face realities, such as the realities of child care, including the realities posed by care of a disabled child, but 'progress yesterday is not necessarily progress today.'

The observations to be found on war and peace hardly reach the level of superficiality. As a matter of strict fact, religious people who hoped to enjoy the experience of communing with God, the universe, their own inner selves (which may have been far less interesting and important than they supposed) have been deported, obliterated by artillery fire, executed when the countries they were living in were invaded. None of the fatuous, futile recommendations on the Whirlow Spirituality Centre Website would have helped to avoid invasion in these cases. Deterring aggression - effective deterrence - requires a massive expenditure of effort and resources which obviously are well outside the capacity of the people at the Center. All they can do is to arrange words on the page or thoughts in their consciousness to give the illusion of  effectiveness.

Their infantile reliance upon prayer has never been shown to be effective. The occupation of so much of Europe during the Second World War wasn't ended by prayer. Ukraine won't be defended by prayer, Israel won't be defended against Hamas and the Iranian regime by prayer. The discussion of warfare in the Middle East on the Whirlow site is a disgrace. These people evidently can't be bothered to address the issues scrupulously, at length. They mention 'learning' on their Website but there's a complete absence of satisfying detail, essential detail. It seems that hard work would take them too far away from their congenial pursuits, such as silent reflection.

They make so much of their inter-denominational stance. They can only make their spurious claims because they ignore the detailed historical record, such as the dark and depraved history of Protestant and Catholic differences, the wars of religion. Again, adequate study would be inconvenient. These are people unwilling to make an effort, or nearly enough effort. Ceaseless activity, activism which takes no account of the need for reflection, is bad - but the perspective of Whirlow Spirituality Centre is completely unbalanced.

The people at the Centre will, of course, be completely unable to answer these objections, unless I'm mistaken. If I'm mistaken, go ahead - give me your objections to what I've written.

 

All Saints Church, Ecclesall, Sheffield


 

 

Above, All Saints Church, seen from a distance in its urban setting

 

All Saints Church is a member of the group of churches in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire called 'Arise.' Rock Christian Centre is another member of 'Arise.' This is from the Website of Rock Christian Centre:'

'The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.

'But His goodness is so great that His anger isn’t confined to the evils of rape and murder. Nothing is hidden from His pure and holy eyes. He is outraged by torture, terrorism, abortion, theft, lying, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, homosexuality, and blasphemy.'

' ...  your knowledge of God’s Law should help you to see that you have a life-threatening dilemma: a huge problem of God’s wrath (His justifiable anger) against your personal sins. The just penalty for sin—breaking even one Law—is death, and eternity in Hell.'

Jesus never condemned torture, just as he never condemned slavery. There's condemnation of homosexuality to be found in 'St' Paul, but Jesus never mentions the subject. The claims made by Rock Christian Centre amount to a confused mess. All Saints Church has some explaining to do.

The Revd Canon Mark Brown is Vicar of All Saints Ecclesall and Area Dean of Ecclesall, Sheffield.

 

The page

 

https://www.allsaintsecclesall.org.uk/mark-brown-1

gives the information (very clumsily expressed) that

 

'He seeks to support the wider Diocesan family with its broader direction of travel and transition in keeping with its own vision as Area Dean of Ecclesall.'

 

The page


https://www.allsaintsecclesall.org.uk/blog-list/2024/10/11/from-the-vicar
 

gives the information that he's due to give a talk at All Saints Church, with the title 'Good Lord deliver us.'

 

He explains,

 

'This is the title of an evening held at [rather, 'due to be held at] All Saints on Wednesday 6th of November at 7:30pm. I am delighted to share in this time with St Gabriel’s leading worship and sharing in ministry time. This event is primarily for our Parish family but we will also be resourcing other churches and Church leaders. I will be giving a talk of about 40 minutes on living a victorious life in Christ with reference to issues of mental health in caring for others and seeking the Lord’s protection in keeping with the prayer all disciples make in the Lord’s prayer, namely “deliver us from evil”.

 

This is a talk which I think it would be important to attend, but not for the reason that this is likely to be an important talk. From the little information given, this seems an ignorant and  very disturbing view of mental health. Resolving mental health issues isn't in the least to be 'delivered from evil.'

 

Sheffield Diocese: Assorted Functionaries

 

The Sheffield Dioces is a member of the group of churches in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire called 'Arise.' Rock Christian Centre is another member of 'Arise.' This is from the Website of Rock Christian Centre:'

'The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.

'But His goodness is so great that His anger isn’t confined to the evils of rape and murder. Nothing is hidden from His pure and holy eyes. He is outraged by torture, terrorism, abortion, theft, lying, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, homosexuality, and blasphemy.'

' ...  your knowledge of God’s Law should help you to see that you have a life-threatening dilemma: a huge problem of God’s wrath (His justifiable anger) against your personal sins. The just penalty for sin—breaking even one Law—is death, and eternity in Hell.'

Jesus never condemned torture, just as he never condemned slavery. There's condemnation of homosexuality to be found in 'St' Paul, but Jesus never mentions the subject. The claims made by Rock Christian Centre amount to a confused mess. The Sheffield Diocese has some explaining to do.

This section mainly takes the form of a list, a long list, a very long list, a tediously long list, but an incomplete list. It doesn't give all the names of the people who make up the Central Team of The Diocese of Sheffield. The complete list is on the page

 

https://www.sheffield.anglican.org/our-diocese/who-we-are/our-team/

 

So, to the list -

 

On the Diocesan Website, the list begins with the Archdeacons' Office - the Venerable Malcolm Champerlain (Sheffield and Rotherham), the Venerable Javaid Iqbal (Doncaster) and, of course, their Personal Assistants.

 

Followed by the AATE, the Associate Archdeacon Transition Enablers: no less than six of them, including  Mike Gilbert, the Associate Archdeacon for Hallam and Ecclesfield. The others are Chris Stebbing, Julie Bacon, Julie Upton and Hannah Hupfield.

 

What sort of person is Mike Gilbert, Associate Archdeacon Transition Enabler? There was  a  brief profile of him on the site

 

https://www.stannesbaslow.org.uk/team-

 

'I have been the Rector of Baslow and Eyam since 2012 having previously been a vicar in Sheffield ...  I feel very blessed to live in such a beautiful place where I can sneak off at every opportunity to indulge my passions of running, walking, climbing and biking.' This was before he took up the Sheffield job.

 

It wasn't a good idea to publicize his advantages, when many, many people live such harsh lives. 

 

Thirteen Bishop's Advisers are listed, including Julian Raffay, the Bishop's Adviser on Spirituality, Angie Lauener, the Assistant Bishop's Adviser  in Sprituality and Louise Castle, the Bishop's Adviser for Healing and Wholeness. Cathy Rhodes is listed in this section, as the Diocesan Environmental Officer.

 

Any impression that the Sheffield Diocese has as a supremely important objective the Environment, any impression that Cathy Rhodes is the most important of all the Bishop's Advisers, would be mistaken. Cathy Rhodes appears to be simply one of many.There's a Diocesan Environmental Officer, part time and unpaid, but no Associate Environmental Officer, no Adviser to the Diocesan Environmental Officer, no Assistant Adviser, no Environmental Transition Enablers, no PA to the Diocesan Environmental Officer.

 Anyone naive enough to take the Eco Church publicity material at face value, anyone naive enough to believe that the Church of England can be taken seriously as a very significant  force for environmental improvement. anyone naive enough to consider giving money to the Church of England for environmental benefits, should reflect that this is an organisation which has massive financial reserves - but, in my view, insignificant strengths, very significant weaknesses in so many areas. In the Church of England scheme of things, in the expenditure of the Church of England, spending on environmental matters isn't in the least significant. The impression created - deliberately - by A Rocha UK and the Eco-church movement is a false one.

 

The section 'Bishop's Offices' gives us the information that the Right Revd Dr Pete Wilcox is the Bishop of Sheffield and that Harry Steele is the Chaplain to the Bishop of Sheffield.

 

Harry Steele is a truly remarkable individual, if we are to believe the testimony to be found on the page

 

https://www.sthild.org/harry-steele-

 

'In the past three years, Harry has been Chaplain to the Bishop of Sheffield and a member of the Senior Staff Team involved in strategic leadership that seeks to bring about the transformation of a diocese.

'Prior to that, in his role as Associate Director of Leading your Church into Growth, he worked in a team of exceptional individuals involved in church leadership across the Church of England.'

Transformation of the diocese? Will evidence be supplied as transformation of the diocese proceeds, or would that be too much trouble?

We're informed that Wendy Whitfield is the PA to the Bishop of Sheffield. We're also informed that The Rt Revd Sophie Jelley is the Bishop of Doncaster and that she has a PA. She hasn't been provided with a spiritual adviser, though. No chaplain to the Bishop of Doncaster is listed. Joy Bishop is apparently 'Partners Together Secretary.'

 

Next comes the mighty 'Centenary Project Central Team,' whose benefits to the wider community are completely unknown to me, for the time being. They consist of Sarah Beardsmore, Centenary Project Manager, Dan Fall, Area Coordinator, Dave Ludbrook, Centenary Project Pastoral Manager, Nicola Adams, Centenary Project Administrator, Hannah Robinson, Hubs Oversight and Steph Darbyshire, Centenary Project Pastoral Worker.

 

But this isn't all - far from it! There's more, much more - there are also the 'Centenary Project Workers.' Presumably, the people already mentioned, the members of the Centenary Project Central Team, also do some work.

 

All these people are listed as Centenary Workers: Adam Woodhouse, Emma Johnson, Josey Bryant, Lucy Luckock, Minerva Faddoul, Sarah Clayton, Steph Peake, Bec Ackroyd, Esther Gratze, Kirsty Dronfield, Lynne Noble, Rachel Parker, Sian Brews, Claire Eaton, Jade Tyrer, Laura Asso, Melanie Pay, Rachel Ridler and Sian John.

 

These people are supported, or presumably supported, by Hannah Robinson, Hubs Oversight, Dave Ludbrook, Centenary Project Pastoral Manager,Steph Derbyshire, Centenary Project Pastoral Worker and Elise Deput, Church in Schools Learning Hub Leader.

 

We have a minor multitude of people in 'Church Buildings,' Church House Reception, Clergy Housing, Communications and Learning, DAC [?] and the ['Diocesan Secretary and Chief Executive Office,' which can call upon the services of the Diocesan Secretary,Katie Bell,the Deputy Diocesan Secretary,  LJ Buxton and the Executive Assistant, Elizabeth Lunt.

 

Four people are listed for 'Education' (this seems rather a few) and only two for Finance, Mark Wigglesworth, the Inerim Finance Director and Asha Christia, the Finance Assistant.

 

Focal Ministry has only one person. This is Rachael Williams, the Programmes and Pathways Assistant.

 

Now to one of the most important of all specialities, perhaps the most important of all: Generosity and Giving. This does seem to be adequately staffed. We have Libby Culmer, Mission Area Support Team Lead, Luke Bunting, Generosity and Giving Officer, Paul Sheridan, a second Generosity and Giving Officer (one Generosity and Giving Officer would certainly have been insufficient), Claire Stinson, Treasurer Support Officer, Janet Daye, Treasurer Support Officer, Caroline Langston, Project Support Officer.

 

Human Resources has two people, to supplement the Divine Resources obviously available to the Diocese: Ben Mays, HR Manager and Gemma Armstrong, HR Adviser.

 

Lay Leadership has available the services of Toby Hole, Director of Mission and Ministry, and these Assistant Wardens of Readers: Peter Rainford, Beryl Adamson and Giles Morrison.

 

The group with the not in the least modest, not in the least unassuming name Lights for Christ gives the names of three luminaries: Mark Wigglesworth, the Interim Finance Director, an Interim Lights for Christ Enabler, Christine Moorey and a Lights for Christ Enabler. Hannah Sandoval. No doubt the choice of job title, 'Lights for Christ Enabler' will have been the subject of deep and  prayerful consideration but the potential for riducule seems not to have influenced the deep and prayerful decision.

 

New Congregations has only one person listed: John Marsh, Mission Developmont Adviser. At a time when existing congregations are shrinking, this seems an optimistic job title.

 

Prayer and Worship has the services of just one person,  John Hibberd, Mission Development Adviser?

 

'Resourcing Mission and Ministry' shows that the Church of England does, after all, retain its faith in expansion, despite all the evidence of a church in crisis. There seems to be no shortage of optimists: Toby Hole, Director of Mission and Ministry, Fr Grant Naylor, Mission Development Advisor [spelling as in original] (Part-time), John Marsh, Mission Development Adviser, Mike North (Children and Young People's Adviser - who may be able to suggest ways of bringing back young people to the church, at a time when they have been deserting the church in ever increasing numbers. There are also names who have appeared in other parts of the long list.

 

Safeguarding is an area where the Church of England has failed comprehensively - one of many areas where the Church has failed comprehensively.  One of the people listed, the Venerable Malcolm Chamberlain, Archdeacon for Sheffield and Rotherham, has recently had to comment on a very, very critical report compiled by Barnardo's on the notorious case at Nework Church Philadelphia, involving attempts to drive out demons to 'cure' a young man's homosexuality.

 

Also listed are Sian Checkley, Safeguarding Adviser, Elina Penttila and Rachel Tankard, Assistant Safeguarding Adviser, Claire Sayce, Safeguarding Training Officer and Deborah Corker-Vaughan, Safeguarding Administrative Officer.

 

We're informed that Abi Thompson is the Dean of Sheffield Cathedral.

 

Social Transformation employs the talents of various people, including Cathy Rhodes, Diocesan Environmental Officer.

 

'Strategy' has Alex Shilkoff, Strategic Programme Director, Graham Handley, Information Analyst and Stephanie Mason, Programme Management Officer.

 

'Vocations and Calling' assumes that there will still be congregations in the future which need a steady supply of new clergy. Dramatic falls in the future would upset these calculations. For the time being, the Sheffield Diocese sees the need to employ these people: Dan Christian, Diocesan Director of Ordinands, Sally Hunter, Environment and Vocations Support, Hannah Grist, Ministry Experience Scheme Coordinator, Jane Truman, Assistan Diocesan Director of Vocations, Sarah Burbridge, Ministry Experience Scheme Warden, Richard Walton, Assistant DDO [which reminds me of the extinct animal the DODO] and Tim Fletcher, Director of IME.

 

The List concludes with 'Wardens:' Mark Wigglesworth, Interim Finance Director, Karen Skidmore, Warden to Pastoral Workers, Chris Fone, Warden to Worship Leaders and John Hibberd, Mission Development Adviser.

 

People on the list: selected comments

 

Mike Gilbert used to be the Rector of Eyam Parish Church. He's now moved on and, I have to say, occupies a position which gives ample opportunities for ridicule - deservedly. He's now an AATE. This stands for - wait for it - 'Associate Archdeacon Transition Enabler.' It's likely that this initiative, like all the other naive nonsensical initiatives of the Church of England was preceded by prayer and has been accompanied by prayer, lots of prayer, all of it superfluous - since, presumably, the presumably omnipotent God already has full knowledge of the issues, which may well be very problematic and demanding, the demands  contradictory, impossible to satisfy. This particular issue is much simpler. People  with an ordinary sense of the ridiculous would have have quickly - instantaneously - decided that calling people  'Associate Archdeacon Transition Enablers' was asking for trouble, or asking for embarrassment.

 

Pete Wilcox, Bishop of Sheffield

 

I'm very critical of Pete Wilcox but this is also someone I respect and admire, for reasons to do with the health condition mentioned in his Wikipedia entry.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Wilcox

 

Here, I simply give some background information about him, amounting to very little, and some comment, amounting to even less.  From the same Wikipedia entry:

 

He 'attended Ridley Hall, Cambridge, where he trained for ordination and graduated from the University of Cambridge with a BA degree in theology in 1986. Later, he returned to Durham for post-graduate study and completed a Master of Arts (MA) degree in 1991. He then attended St John's College, Oxford, and completed a Doctor of Philosophy (DPhil) degree in 1993. His doctoral thesis was titled "Restoration, Reformation and the progress of the kingdom of Christ : evangelisation in the thought and practice of John Calvin, 1555–1564"

 

This is the career path, a very, very common career path, of an academic theologian, or someone with a very strong interest in academic theology.

 

I loathe the theology of Calvin, discussed in the Wikipedia page

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin

 

and I loathe the part he played in the execution of the 'heretic' Michael Servetus. The so-called 'Dark Ages' lasted from about 500 - 1000 AD. To me, the preceding Christian centuries and the succeeding Christian centuries are part of a very long Dark Age.

 

From theWikipedia page on Michael Servetus, who made genuine advances in medical knowledge,

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus

 

'Michael Servetus was a Spanish theologian, physician, cartographer and Renaissance humanist. He was the first European to correctly describe the function of pulmonary circulation ... He participated in the Protestant Reformation, and later rejected the Trinity doctrine ... After being condemned by Catholic authorities in France, he fled to Calvinist Geneva where he was denounced by John Calvin himself and burned at the stake for heresy by order of the city's governing council.'

 

The Wikipedia entry for Calvin adds this comment:

 

'After the death of Servetus, Calvin was acclaimed

 defender of Christianity.'

 

I think that the particular scholarly interests of Pete Wilcox are of no help in understanding the issues and the problems affecting the people of Sheffield. There are countless issues and countless problems, of course. I mention just one, in which the Church of England can't possibly be of any use. One of its standard responses, prayer, will have no effect whatsoever. The Church has been making token gestures to solve 'the climate crisis,' but hasn't the least chance of making a significant difference. The Church's appreciation of the difficulties of the steel industry is at an altogether lower level. The fact that the Bishop of Sheffield is the Bishop of what's called 'The Steel City' makes no impact on Church of England Thinking. The C of E is largely indifferent to this issue and, of course, a very wide range of other issues. A comment along the lines of 'Not Interested' would be an honest response, but the Church of England isn't famed for its honest responses.

 

The local newspaper 'The Star' makes every effort to comment on these important issues, though, and this is from its report on the difficulties facing Liberty Steel.

 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/business/liberty-steel-bosses-announce-restructure-to-save-plants-in-sheffield-and-rotherham-4861589

 

Cash-strapped Liberty Steel has announced a restructure at steelworks employing hundreds in Rotherham and Sheffield.

The firm wants to ‘significantly reduce’ debt at its Speciality Steel UK business  using a process for companies in financial difficulty.

 

f agreed by creditors, it is the best way to recover the business and avoid insolvency, it says. 

 

It comes after hundreds of steelworkers at plants in Aldwarke, Rotherham, and Stocksbridge,  were left fearing for their jobs after not being paid on time last month.

 

Strongly recommended: consulting this page:

 

https://libertysteelgroup.com/uk/about-us/

 

From the page:

 

LIBERTY Steel UK is the third largest steel manufacturer in the country, with a footprint that covers nine sites across England, Scotland and Wales. It employs over 2,000 people and has an annual steel rolling capacity approaching three million tonnes.

 

With steelmaking heritage dating back to 1842, LIBERTY Steel’s sites in the UK have a wealth of expertise thanks to our team of metallurgists, steelmakers, engineers and technicians.

Our capabilities range from electric arc, vacuum induction melting, mill processing and value added services. The business manufactures and distributes products supplied mainly into the aerospace, construction, automotive, oil and gas and energy industries domestically and overseas to over 60 countries.

 

The UK business sits within LIBERTY Steel Group, which is the GFG Alliance’s global steel manufacturing arm. With a total rolling capacity exceeding 18 million tonnes it is one of the top 10 producers globally, excluding China.

Liberty Steel UK is playing an active role in meeting the group’s global ambition to be carbon neutral by 2030. Its Speciality Steels business in Rotherham uses an electric arc furnace – a less carbon-intensive form of producing steel than blast furnace production – to melt scrap steel for rolling into downstream products for a range of high-specification industries including oil & gas and aerospace. The UK business also has plans to create a GREENSTEEL hub at its Newport site using renewable energy from sister company SIMEC Atlantis’ Uskmouth biomass plant to power a new electric arc furnace.

 

This is an organization which, unlike the feeble Church of England, deserves to succeed. The financial reserves of the Church of England are undeserved. There's absolutely no justice in the disparity in financial success between Liberty Steel and the Church of England.

 

The Church of England has nothing to offer people facing intense difficulties in their lives and their livelihoods in countless other cases. To imagine that Paul's Epistle to the Romans or any other Biblical text offers real help is a complete illusion.

 

The contemptuous, contemptible attitude of so many people in the Church of England to the ordinary-extraordinary lives of working people is intolerable, their disregard for the achievements of working people, their view of working people as mainly conversion fodder. 

 

The resources of the Sheffield Diocese and the other dioceses

 

The Church of England has vastly greater resources than the ones I possess -
financial resources and other resources, such as very large numbers of people, clergy and lay. The opposition the church faces in this instance is from a single person with next to no financial resources and many other demands on his time. If the Diocese of Sheffield and the wider Church of England can't make any headway,

then something is badly wrong. I claim that something is badly wrong with the Church of England. My view is that the Church is undeserving of respect and undeserving of financial support, that the Church is very weak - impotent.

The Church of England is overstaffed to a grotesque degree: with Archbishops, Bishops - Diocesan, Suffragan and Coadjutor Bihops - 

Priests, Archdeacons, Deans, Provosts, Canons, Prebendaries, Assistant Clergy, Deacons - even at this lowly level there's likely to be dressing up,

deacons vested, perhaps, in an alb with a stole over the left shoulder, although nothing like the over-the-top attire of the higher orders - licensed layministers - the licence not guaranteeing in the least that the teaching will take any account of common sense or important realities -  readers, lay administrators, catechists, to say nothing of the very large number of theologians, ordained and lay - ecclesiologists, hamartiologists, eschatologists, Christologists, patrologists, soteriologists, pneumatologists and more - all of them unable, it seems, to make a serious contribution to a central challenge, defending Christian beliefs against informed opposition. If the very act of listing seems ridiculous, this is nothing compared with the ridiculousness of actual Church of England practice.

 

Membership of the Evangelical Alliance in Sheffield and Dronfield, with profile

 

Emmanuel Church
City Life International Church
Antioch Community Church

 

Rock Christian Centre

 

Senior Pastor: Jon Watts
Assistant Pastor: Paul Hunt
Associate Pastor: Peter Morris

The Website of the Rock Christian Centre used to contain these claims:

 

God hates homosexuality
God hates blasphemy

 

The Rock Christian Centre was the place chosen to relaunch the Christian Police Association in Sheffield, as reported in the Sheffield newspaper, The Star, 'Members of the public joined South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Dr Alan Billings, Chief Constable Stephen Watson, officers and police support staff at the Rock Christian Centre in Carlisle Street.'

 

tps://www.thestar.co.uk/news/christian-police-association-re-launched-in-sheffield-470835

Like the Christian Police Association, the Rock Christian Centre publishes a Statement of Belief' on its Website,

 

http://www.rockchristiancentre.org/what-we-believe/

 

Like the Christian Police Association, the Rock Christian Centre believes in hell for unbelievers.

 

 From the Rock document, Belief No. 11, 'The personal and visible return of Jesus Christ to fulfil the purposes of God, who will raise all people to judgement, bring eternal life to the redeemed and eternal condemnation to the lost, and establish a new heaven and new earth.' According to this theory, no amount of good work will bring the reward of 'eternal life.' Belief No. 11: 'The justification of sinners solely by the grace of God through faith in Christ.'

 

The hideous statements on this hideous page of the 'Rock Christian Centre' are  amplified on another hideous page,

 

http://www.rockchristiancentre.org/why-christianity/

 

which includes this - but before I give extracts, I'll point out that The Senior Pastor at Rock Christian Centre didn't write it, nobody at Rock Christian Centre wrote it. This monstrous rubbish was copied from a publication, 'The Evidence Study Bible: NKJV: All You Need to Understand and Defend Your Faith' by Ray Comfort, born in New Zealand, now living in the United States.  In various publications, Ray Comfort claims that the reader will have broken one or more of the Ten Commandments and so will go to Hell - but if the reader has acknowledged Jesus as Lord and Saviour, by means of a quick prayer, perhaps - then in that case, the reader will go to heaven. This is Ray Comfort. If the image inspires confidence, think again, read the extract here, read the fuller extract on the Rock Christian Centre Website, and, if you think you can justify the time, read 'The Evidence Study Bible from cover to cover.'

 

... the God we are speaking about is nothing like the commonly accepted image. He is not a benevolent Father figure, who is happily smiling upon sinful humanity.

 

In the midst of these frightening thoughts, remember to let fear work for you. The fear of God is the healthiest fear you can have. The Bible calls it “the beginning of wisdom.”

 

Again, your knowledge of God’s Law should help you to see that you have a life-threatening dilemma: a huge problem of God’s wrath (His justifiable anger) against your personal sins. The just penalty for sin—breaking even one Law—is death, and eternity in Hell. But you haven’t broken just one Law. Like the rest of us, you’ve no doubt broken all these laws, countless times each. What kind of anger do you think a judge is justified in having toward a criminal guilty of breaking the law thousands of times?'

 

And more:

 

So let’s look at that Law and see how you will do when you face it on Judgment Day. Have you loved God above all else? Is He first in your life? He should be. He’s given you your life and everything that is dear to you. Do you love Him with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength? That’s the requirement of the First Commandment. Or have you broken the Second Commandment by making a god in your mind that you’re comfortable with—where you say, “My god is a loving and merciful god who would never send anyone to Hell”? That god does not exist; he’s a figment of the imagination. To create a god in your mind (your own image of God) is something the Bible calls “idolatry.” Idolaters will not enter Heaven.

 

Have you ever used God’s name in vain, as a cuss word to express disgust? That’s called “blasphemy,” and it’s very serious in God’s sight. This is breaking the Third Commandment, and the Bible says God will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

 

Have you always honored your parents implicitly, and kept the Sabbath holy? If not, you have broken the Fourth and Fifth Commandments. Have you ever hated someone? The Bible says, “Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer.”

The Seventh is “You shall not commit adultery,” but Jesus said, “Whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart” (the Seventh Commandment includes sex before marriage). Have you ever looked with lust or had sex outside of marriage? If you have, you’ve violated that Commandment.

Have you ever lied? Ever stolen anything, regardless of value? If you have, then you’re a lying thief. The Bible tells us, “Lying lips are abomination to the Lord,” because He is a God of truth and holiness. Have you coveted (jealously desired) other people’s things? This is a violation of the Tenth Commandment.

...

Perhaps the thought of going to Hell doesn’t scare you, because you don’t believe in it. That’s like standing in the open door of a plane 10,000 feet off the ground and saying, “I don’t believe there will be any consequences if I jump without a parachute.”

 

To say that there will be no consequences for breaking God’s Law is to say that God is unjust, that He is evil. This is why.

On February 24, 2005, a nine-year-old girl was reported missing from her home in Homosassa, Florida. Three weeks later, police discovered that she had been kidnapped, brutally raped, and then buried alive. Little Jessica Lunsford was found tied up, in a kneeling position, clutching a stuffed toy.

 

How Do You React?

 

How do you feel toward the man who murdered that helpless little girl in such an unspeakably cruel way? Are you angered? I hope so. I hope you are outraged. If you were completely indifferent to her fate, it would reveal something horrible about your character.

 

“The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.”

 

Do you think that God is indifferent to such acts of evil? You can bet your precious soul He is not. He is outraged by them.

 

The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.

 

But His goodness is so great that His anger isn’t confined to the evils of rape and murder. Nothing is hidden from His pure and holy eyes. He is outraged by torture, terrorism, abortion, theft, lying, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, homosexuality, and blasphemy. He also sees our thought-life, and He will judge us for the hidden sins of the heart: for lust, hatred, rebellion, greed, unclean imaginations, ingratitude, selfishness, jealousy, pride, envy, deceit, etc. Jesus warned, “But I say to you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment”6 (emphasis added).

 

The Bible says that God’s wrath “abides” on each of us, and that every time we sin, we’re “storing up wrath” that will be revealed on Judgment Day. We are even told that we are “by nature the children of wrath” (emphasis added). Sinning against God comes naturally to us—and we naturally earn His anger by our sins.

...

To receive the gift of eternal life, you must repent of your sins (turn from them), and put on the Lord Jesus Christ as you would put on a parachute—trusting in Him alone for your salvation. That means you forsake your own good works as a means of trying to please God (trying to bribe Him), and trust only in what Jesus has done for you. Simply throw yourself on the mercy of the Judge.


Lansdowne Chapel Evangelical Fellowship
C3 Hope
Network Church, Sheffield
Sheffield Community Church
City Church, Sheffield

Sheffield Vineyard
St Thomas Church, Crookes
Hillsborough Baptist Church
Living Waters Christian Fellowship
Christ Church, Fulwood
City of Refuge

Meadowhead  Christian Fellowship
Dronfield Baptist Church

Oaks Community Church, Dronfield
Cowley Mission and the Vine Fellowship, Dronfield

 

Supplementary: the Saints

 

From the Church of England page

 

https://www.churchofengland.org/about/leadership-and-governance

 

Almighty and eternal God,
you have kindled the flame of love
in the hearts of the saints:
grant to us the same faith and power of love,
that, as we rejoice in their triumphs,
we may be sustained by their example and fellowship ...

 

Included or excluded from this commendation: St Augustine of Hippo's doctrinal stand, his support for the theory that deceased unbaptized babies go to Hell? 

 

St Augustine of Hippo

 

From the page 'Records from a backward, credulous and superstitious pre-scientific age.'  My title, not the title which appears on the page.

 

http://www.augnet.org/en/works-of-augustine/his-ideas/2324-miracles/#:~:text=Augustine%20believed%20in%20miracles.,huge%20work%2C%20City%20of%20God.

 

'Augustine believed in miracles. His writings clearly indicate that he believed that God miraculously healed people of illness in order to support the authority of those who ministered in the name of Christ. The most detailed examples of this are written in the last book of his huge work, City of God.

 

'Material that Augustine collected appears there in Book 22 of City of God, the eighth chapter of which is entitled, Of Miracles Which Were Wrought that the World Might Believe in Christ, and Which Have Not Ceased Since the World Believed. 

 


In Chapter 8 of Book 22, Augustine gives a very lengthy description of miracles. These were physical cures which he had either witnessed himself, or about which he had heard from those whom he considered to be reliable witnesses. There the reader learns about a blind man cured in Milan while Augustine and Alypius were there as laymen. Augustine devotes many lines to another man named Innocentius, whom he knew a little later in Carthage, when Augustine as a layman was a guest in the house of Innocentius. The miraculous cure of this man, who had been an advocate of the deputy prefecture, happened under the eyes of Augustine. Innocentius was being treated by medical men for fistulae, of which he had a large number intricately seated in the rectum.'

'

'The description by Augustine is quite dramatic writing. The cure of this man, who had been an advocate of the deputy prefecture, happened under Augustine's very own eyes: "... tried aid him good. Still they persisted in promising that they would cure that fistula by drugs, without the knife. They called in doctors...."

 

'To read this chapter on the Internet, click on: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/augustine-cityofgod-22-9-10.html

 

'Augustine changed his attitude about miracles from that of a suspicious teacher to that of an eyewitness. Augustine wrote that the bones of Saint Stephen the martyr were taken on a tour to Africa, where Augustine lived at that time. A large number of people met the ship with the bones aboard. Augustine writes that a blind woman begged to be taken immediately to the bones, and she was conveyed there. But the man in charge gave her only the flowers that were on the bones. She put the flowers on her eyes and her blindness was instantly healed. These flowers were then placed under the pillow of a man who was known to have no religious belief at all. The next day, he discovered that he had been converted in his sleep, and awoke full of love, speaking the words, "Christ, receive my spirit." Those were the last words of Stephen, too.

 

'Another man was instantly healed of a cancer when he carried a bone of Stephen. A priest, dead and being bound up for burial, was brought back to life when his friend applied a bone of Stephen. Augustine wrote that he personally witnessed other cures and conversions that took place through these bones. He reported healings from gout and pain, several persons returning from death and many other miracles. In fact Augustine went so far as to state, "Were I ... to record the miracles of healing which were wrought in the district by means of Stephen, they would fill many volumes." (City of God, 22:8)'
 

The writings of Saint Augustine indicate that he clearly believed that God by miracles healed people of illness in order to support the authority of those who ministered in the name of Christ. The most detailed examples of this are written in the last book of his huge work, City of God. It contains a very lengthy description of miracles which he had either witnessed himself, or about which he had heard from those whom he considered to be reliable witnesses.

 

In Book 22, Chapter 8 of City of God, the reader learns about a blind man cured in Milan while Augustine and Alypius were there as laymen.

 

'The miracle of Innocentia

The story of Innocentia, reported by Augustine in his City of God, shows how dramatically he had changed his mind on the subject of miracles. Innocentia was a respected and holy woman who discovered that she had cancer of the breast. She was a citizen of Carthage whom Augustine himself had met.

 

'Doctors gave her no hope, and Augustine reports, "She turned for help to God alone, in prayer." In a dream, Innocentia was told to wait in the church for the first woman who came out after receiving baptism, and to ask this woman to make the sign of Christ over her breast. Innocentia did so, and was completely cured.

 

...

 

The hope of Augustine was that, as the miracles of the disciples of Jesus had aided the growth of the early church, miracles in his own day would draw people to the Christian Faith.'

 

The accounts of miracles in the Old and New Testament are fictitious. The miracles recounted in the New Testament were  manufactured to aid the growth of the early church.

 

St Augustine of Canterbury

 

From the page

 

https://staugustineofcanterbury.org.uk/
about/staugustine

 

'St Augustine of Canterbury arrived in England in 597 along with some 40 monks who had set out from Rome to evangelise the Anglo-Saxons in England. He became the first Archbishop of Canterbury and constructed a church and monastery near where the present cathedral stands ... his efforts were to bear fruit eventually in the conversion of England.' 

 

From the page

 

https://mycatholic.life/saints/saints-of-the-liturgical-year/may-27-saint-augustine-austin-of-canterbury-bishop/

 

Around the year 595, Pope Saint Gregory the Great was said to have been walking through a Roman market when he came upon some young boys being sold as slaves. Out of concern for them, he inquired where the boys were from. “Angles from the isle of England” he was told. “Ah, they are angels!” he exclaimed. Seeing these pagan boys being sold as slaves moved the pope to take action.

[What action? Action to end the degrading and barbaric institution of slavery, to ensure that children would never be bought and sold in the degrading slave markets of Rome if he could do anything to prevent it? No, a very different form of action.]

He wanted them Christian, and he wanted all of Anglo-Saxon England to be Christian. But how?

The pope’s first plan was to buy as many of the boys as possible, send them to monasteries where they could learn the Catholic faith, and if some were found worthy, ordain them as priests and send them back to their homeland to share the faith. However, this was a long-term plan, and the pope began to receive reports that the English were ready to convert if they only had missionaries to teach them the faith.'

And so, he formed the plan of Christianizing England. Instead of being a pagan slave-selling, slave-buying, slave-owning society, England was to become a Christian slave-selling, slave-buying, slave-owning society.

Augustine supposedly performed many miracles during his travels to convert England. An account on this page

https://digitalcommons.whitworth.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1000&context=theologystudents

provides some necessary context:

The idea was that miracles are necessary at the beginning of the history of the church in order to foster belief. Faith without miracles was difficult to accept for ordinary men, and though Bede and Gregory both understood that true faith and faith in the miraculous were not the same thing, they hoped that “the latter might be a stepping-stone to the former” (xxxv). This attitude explains the heavy presence of the supernatural—and perhaps nonsensical—in our histories of Tuttle 8 the various Saints, Augustine included. Second, and in a similar vein, these stories are there because the people of the age expected them to be there. Bright summarizes it thusly: “[O]f the mediæval stories of miracles the great bulk may be summarily dismissed, … but because the interval between the alleged occurrence and the account of it is usually long enough to allow of a rank upgrowth of legend, encouraged by the fixed preconception of the age, that miracles must always attend upon, and attest, high sanctity.' Essentially, in an age when everyone believed in the supernatural, these stories sprang up naturally, and formed up the common tradition. Anything less would be rejected as too mundane, so historians and theologians such as Gregory and Bede include them in their chronicles (remember— stepping stones),–but make no mistake, Bede and Gregory absolutely believed in miracles. Gregory in fact wrote a letter to Augustine about miracles he had heard he had performed, encouraging him to exalt in the glory of God at their performance and in the mysteriousness of God, but not to take pride in himself for performing them.'

One of the alleged miracles of 'St' Augustine. From the page

https://logismoitouaaron.blogspot.com
/2009/06/apostle-of-englishst-augustine-of.html

When the British bishops he found already ministering to the Celtic Christians of the island refused to assist him in his mission to the English or to adopt with him the universal customs of the Church, St Augustine responded:

Let us pray God who makes men to be of one mind in his Father’s house to vouchsafe to show us by heavenly signs which tradition is to be followed and by what paths we must hasten to enter his kingdom. Let some sick man be brought, and let the faith and practice of him by whose prayers he is healed be considered as in accordance with God’s will and proper for us all to follow. (EH II.2; Colgrave. p. 72)

A blind Englishman was brought, and the British bishops found themselves unable to heal him. St Augustine then, ‘compelled by genuine necessity’, prayed that the Lord would heal him, ‘and, through the bodily enlightenment of one man, would bring the grace of spiritual light to the hearts of many believers’ (
EH II.2; Colgrave. p. 72). Unfortunately, even such a demonstration of God’s favour upon St Augustine was not enough to move them, and the holy man prophesied that if they would not bring the Gospel to the English, the latter would destroy them. Indeed this happened, when 10 years later the heathen king Æthelfrith attacked the British, routting them at the Battle of Chester and massacring 1200 monks of Bangor who were praying for a British victory (EH II.2; Colgrave, p. 73-4).

For further 'proofs' of the power of God and his saints, I would heartily recommend the page

https://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/

a wondrous Cornucopia of Holy Nonsense. Extracts:

 it is not at all surprising then that the servants of God have wrought the most remarkable miracles in the name of Jesus, such as Saints who raised the deadmiraculous cures and healingsprophecybilocationstigmatathe crown of thornsmystical knowledgelevitation and ecstatic flightsmiraculous voices from heavengift of understanding and also speaking foriegn [sic] and ancient biblical languagesmiracles with animals Saints whose bodies remain incorrupt after deathmiraculous mail deliveries, and complete fasting from food for years, to name just a few. 

[There were very large numbers of people in Jesus' time who were just as credulous and easily fooled, as there have been in all the Christian centuries. There are very large numbers of people who are credulous and easily fooled in the Churches today, of course.]

Miracles, in miraculous detail, from the page:

Levitation and Ecstatic Flights


St Gerard Majella was often enraptured into remarkable levitations, often being drawn away by God for some distances. It was sufficient for St Gerard Majella to think of the love of God, or to contemplate the mystery of Incarnation, to cast his eyes upon a crucifix or a picture of the Blessed Virgin, or to be in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament.

One of the many examples would be when St Gerard, intending to spend some days at Oliveto, received hospitality at the house of an archpriest named Don Salvadore. The miracle took place on the very morning of his arrival at Oliveto. Gerard had withdrawn to his room to pray. At the dinner hour, the archpriest went himself to invite him to dinner. But to his astonishment he found the brother ravished in ecstasy and raised about three feet from the ground. Filled with amazement, he withdrew, but returning shortly after, he found him in the same state. The whole household, all witnesses to the extraordinary event, unable to sit down to dinner, awaited the guest with tears of emotion. At last he appeared, his face all inflamed"Please do not wait for me," he said to the archpriest. "I do not wish to inconvenience you." To preserve the memory of this rapture, the archpriest marked on the wall of the room the height to which he had seen the Saint elevated.

 

Angelic Letter Deliveries

In the "Life of St Gemma Galgani" written by her spiritual director, Venerable Father Germanus Ruoppolo, a few years after her death we read how the extraordinary mystic was on such familiar terms with her Guardian Angel that she sometimes entrusted her letters to him for safe delivery:

"One day, with the most charming simplicity, she prayed to her spiritual director's angel to take the letter she had written to him. Being familiar with the angel, she had no doubt as to the result. Already living dependent on the charity of the Giannini family [whom she was living with], she did not like to make additional requests in asking for stamps. She did not always proceed in this extraordinary manner, thus her recourse to the angel was not continual, yet not a single one of all the letters that she thus committed to him was lost."

In light of these extraordinary Angelic deliveries, her director, Ven Father Germanus C.P., wanted to conduct a "test" and so he instructed Gemma to give the letters she wanted to send him by the Angel to Cecilia Giannini, who was told to lock them in a place unknown to Gemma. Gemma lived in Lucca, Italy while her spiritual director lived several hundred miles away in Rome.

And so on June 11, 1901 Gemma wrote a letter to her spiritual director seeking guidance on some spiritual matters, as she often did. She then gave a letter to Cecilia, (as previously requested by her spiritual director), who in turn gave it to Father Lorenzo Agrimonti, who was a priest living at that time with the Giannini family. Father Lorenzo immediately locked it in a chest in his own room and put the key in his pocket.

During the afternoon of the next day, Gemma saw in a vision the Angel passing by with her letter on his way to Rome to deliver it to Ven. Father Germanus, and so Cecilia immediately notified Father Lorenzo. They found that the letter had, in fact, disappeared from its secret location, and to their greater amazement they later discovered that the letter was received, as usual, by her spiritual director, unstamped of course.

To prove the matter yet another time, the same experiment was undertaken--a letter of Gemma's to her director was once again handed over to Father Lorenzo. He secretly hid the envelope between two pictures, one of St. Gabriel Possenti and the other of St. Paul of the Cross. This took place on May 22, 1901. The next day Gemma announced that her Angel had taken away the letter and the delivery of which was once again confirmed by her spiritual director, to the utter amazement of everyone involved. It is no wonder then that Ven. Father Germanus in his book on the life of St Gemma calls them "angelic letters".

And about Gemma and her guardian Angel, her spiritual director Ven. Father Gemanus writes- "Gemma, seeing the great charity her angel lavished upon her, loved her angel immensely, and his name was always on her tongue as well as in her heart.


‘Dear Angel’ she would say ‘I love you so!’
‘And why’ the Angel asked.
‘Because you teach me how to be good, and to keep humble, and to please Jesus'."

 

The Gift of Tongues

 

"St Anthony of Padua, one of the chosen disciples and companions of St Francis, whom the latter called his Vicar, was preaching one day before the Pope and the Cardinals in Consistory, there were therefore present at that moment men of different countries- Greeks and Latins, French and Germans, Slavs and English and men of many other different languages and dialects.

"And being inflamed by the Holy Spirit and inspired with apostolic eloquence, he preached and explained the word of God so effectively, devoutly, subtly, clearly and understandably that all who were assembled at that Consistory, although they spoke different languages, clearly and distinctly heard and understood everyone of his words as if he had spoken in each of their languages. Therefore they were all astounded and filled with devotion, for it seemed to them that the former miracle of the Apostles at the time of Pentecost had been renewed, when by the power of the Holy Spirit they spoke in different languages.

"And in amazement, just like in the Acts of the Apostles they said to one another: "Is he not a Spaniard?' How then are we all hearing him in the language of the country where we were born -we Greeks and Latins, French and Germans, Slavs and English, Lombards and other foreigners?"

 

The Eucharist alone -A complete abstinence from food for 13 years


"On March 27, 1942 in a blaze of agony and adoring love, Alexandrina cried out to Jesus in the tabernacle of the nearby church, "Oh my Eucharistic Love, I cannot live without you! Oh Jesus, transform me into your Eucharist! Mother, my dearest Mother, I wish to be of Jesus, I wish to be entirely yours!"
And deep within her soul she heard Jesus’ profound reply:

"You will not take food again on earth. Your food will be my Flesh; your blood will be my Divine Blood, your life will be my Life. You receive it from me when I unite my Heart to your heart. Do not fear, my daughter. You will not be crucified any more as in the past .... And now a new trial awaits you, which will be the most painful of all. But in the end I will carry you to Heaven and the Holy Mother will accompany you."

Thus on March 27, 1942 Blessed Alexandrina da Costa began an absolute fast which was to last more than thirteen years until her death, her sole nourishment being Holy Communion which she received with deep devotion every morning.

"For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him." (John 6:55-56)

 

A Saint of a different kind

 

The veneration of St Guinefort began in the 13th century. He was killed by mistake but, learning about his martyrdom, the locals began to venerate him and to visit his shrine when they were in need, particularly mothers with sick children. Veneration of this saint lasted for centuries. The last known visit to his shrine was to request help for a sick child and took place in the 1970's.

 

St Guinefort was a dog, a greyhound, killed by his owner, who believed that his son had been killed by the dog. In fact, the child was still alive. The dog had supposedly killed a poisonous snake and saved the life of the child.  This is a modern depiction of St Guinefort:

 

 

Our Lady of the Assumption Church, Croydon

 

Extracts from a shocking report in 'The Independent,' 30 June, 2023. A corrective to a shockingly ignorant  article in defence of Christian orthodoxy which was published in 'The Daily Telegraph' 22 December 2024, 'An atheist country gets the church it deserves.' The author is Tim Stanley, an alumnus of Trinity College, Cambridge, an Anglican turned Roman Catholic.

 

A primary school in Croydon has been fined £35,000 after a young boy was left with critical burns when his nativity costume caught fire during the school’s annual carol concert.

 

 

St Thomas Becket Catholic Primary School   was found guilty of health and safety failings by a jury at Southwark Crown Court earlier in June.

 

 

In December 2019 the boy, then aged seven, had been in a line of pupils each holding a lit candle in Our Lady of the Annunciation Church in Bingham Road, Croydon, when his homemade sheep costume caught fire, the court heard.

 

 

The fire was extinguished “with some difficulty” and the child received first aid at the scene before he was taken by air ambulance to hospital.

 

 

At hospital it was estimated that he sustained burns on 45% of his body, resulting in “life-changing injuries” that will leave him dependent on third party care for basic needs.

 

 

... the child’s parents described the “excruciating” pain that their son, who no longer attends the school, has been through and is still going through.

 

 

They both commented on the life-threatening nature of their son’s injuries, with the mother saying she “thought the worst” when the boy was in hospital and his father saying he is “lucky to be alive”.

 

 

The court heard they were waiting for their son to emerge in the church when people started running outside and screaming, which the father described as feeling like “a bomb had gone off”.

 

 

The mother said her son’s best friend said he was on fire, prompting her to “force” her way back into the church.

 

 

Both parents found their son standing “screaming” in a bucket of water in the church, the court heard.

 

...

 

The court heard how the young boy underwent “countless” surgeries and hospital appointments, which are continuing three years later.

 

 

“I protect my son from every look from a stranger when we are out together,” the father said. “I walk in front of him to protect him from the glares of others. I think of him growing older in such a cruel world.

 

 

“It overwhelms me to think that my son will never know what a normal life is.”


"I haven't stepped in a church since and I don't think I ever will," his mother said.

 

...

 

Judge Bartle said of the boy’s parents: “Their love for (their son) and their dedication to his welfare shine out from all they say.

 

 

“I acknowledge the selfless devoted care that they have given to him.”

 

 

In defence of the school, the court heard that the board of governors apologises to the family, that the school has a good health and safety record and that it has banned the use of candles. [An apology, a lame excuse and an assurance that candles are no longer used - an adequate or a grossly inadequate response?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 





 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wide-ranging comment, including comment on  the redemption (or 'damnation') of young and very young children

The belief that non-believers go to Hell (or are separated from God for eternity) is common knowledge. Vast numbers of Christians, at vast numbers of churches, have this belief, and not just  Conservative Evangelicals.   Not nearly so common now: the belief, held by 'St' Augustine (of Hippo)  that deceased babies who never receive baptism go to hell, that baptism is essential for salvation.

 

Not discussed anywhere in the Bible, the fate of non-believing children - and babies. No age limit for redemption is mentioned in the Bible. Can very young children and even babies share the fate of adult non-believers?

 

So far as I know, I'm the first person to draw attention to this massive, shocking problem for orthodox believers.  This is a problem for 'liberal' Christians and 'progressive' Christians as well. In my experience, the 'liberals' and 'progressives' often have orthodox beliefs concerning redemption.  They have some explaining to do. Further information and discussion below, in this column. Click here to go there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ego: 'an inflated sense of

pride based on a false sense of superiority' - as in the common Christian misconception that Christians are superior to non-Christians


 

2 Corinthians 5:17

'Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a

NEW CREATION

old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.' 

 

In the original New Testament Greek

ὥστε εἴ τις ἐν Χριστῷ, καινὴ κτίσις · τὰ ἀρχαῖα παρῆλθεν, ἰδοὺ γέγονεν καινά

 

Below,

A New Creations gallery

 

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλὰ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον

 

This is very well known, quoted very often. The New Testament  has so much 'love' and 'loving' in it. There's reference to a particular kind of love, ἀγάπη,  supposedly the highest kind, the love God showed for humanity in sending his son Jesus. But why did he send his son, why did he show this love? To redeem humanity, allegedly. Those taking up the offer are redeemed and enjoy eternal life, supposedly. Those not taking up the offer are the unredeemed, and deprived of eternal life, it's claimed. This seems a disturbing form of love, in fact not love at all.

 

After John 3:16, in John 3:19, there's this warning:

 

John 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

αὕτη δέ ἐστιν ἡ κρίσις ὅτι τὸ φῶς ἐλήλυθεν εἰς τὸν κόσμον καὶ ἠγάπησαν οἱ ἄνθρωποι μᾶλλον τὸ σκότος ἢ τὸ φῶς, ἦν γὰρ αὐτῶν πονηρὰ τὰ ἔργα.

 

Beth Keith is the newly appointed vicar to St Mark's Church, Sheffield. St Mark's is a member of the group of churches in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire called 'Arise.' The Diocese of Sheffield is a member of 'Arise,' and other churches in the list of churches in the column to the left. Rock Christian Centre is another member of 'Arise.' The full list of participating churches is given on the page

 

https://www.arisesheffield.org/churches

 

 

This vicious rubbish is from the Website of Rock Christian Centre:

'The fury of Almighty God against evil is evidence of His goodness. If He wasn’t angered, He wouldn’t be good. We cannot separate God’s goodness from His anger. Again, if God is good by nature, He must be unspeakably angry at wickedness.

'But His goodness is so great that His anger isn’t confined to the evils of rape and murder. Nothing is hidden from His pure and holy eyes. He is outraged by torture, terrorism, abortion, theft, lying, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, homosexuality, and blasphemy.'

' ...  your knowledge of God’s Law should help you to see that you have a life-threatening dilemma: a huge problem of God’s wrath (His justifiable anger) against your personal sins. The just penalty for sin—breaking even one Law—is death, and eternity in Hell.

St Mark's - and the other churches - have some explaining to do. People who give money to  these churches (or other churches) could try to justify this use of their money, if they can.

In the madhouse of Christian faith,  in very widespread and influential forms of Christian faith, people aren't damned or doomed because 'their deeds are evil' but because they haven't accepted Jesus as Saviour and there can be many, many reasons why they haven't.

 

They live in one of the many countries where Christian evangelism is very rare or non-existent and they never hear about Christianity. They live in a Christian country, or a country where Christianity is the main religion, but their lives have been hard, unrelentingly hard, perhaps. They've been miners, working in dangerous conditions underground. They were children working in the darkness underground, or working in factories for most of their waking hours. They were Jews, persecuted by Christians or massacred by Christians. They were slaves, owned, perhaps, by Christian slave owners. They associated Christianity with flogging, torture and the possibility of execution. They were native peoples living in the Amazon when travel was very difficult and they lived in a place which missionaries didn't manage to reach.  They were young children, far too young to understand any arguments in favour of Christianity, arguments as to why they should accept the 'redeemer,' or arguments as to why they should not accept him. They were scientists, engineers, manual workers, people carrying out the essential work of the world, mothers and fathers with families to care for, perhaps disabled children to care for, far too busy to spend any time dwelling upon their eternal destiny. They simply lacked the naive attitudes, the credulity, the necessary narrowness to accept Christian faith. There have been very many gifted Christians, of course, Christians who can be respected and admired, but not, I think, for their Christian belief but for other qualities. There have been many not very striking Christians, tedious and tendentious people, with a whole range of not very pleasant characteristics, who were simply conventional people accepting the conventions of the 'Christian' societies they grew up in and lived in.

 

St Mary's Church is a church in the suburb of Walkley, Sheffield.  New Creation Reverend Canon Alan Billings, who used to be the South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner, and a really poor one - I give the evidence in detail on other pages of the site -  has often been a Preacher and Communion Celebrant at the church. Another preacher at the Church is Joe Pritchard. The sermon he preached on a Remembrance Sunday can be found:

 

https://stmaryswalkley.co.uk/remembrance-sunday-12th-november-3rd-sunday-before-advent/

 ' ... in the end of days, at the final coming of the Kingdom of God, those who have died as faithful Christians - will also be resurrected.'

This extract from his sermon is straight out of Medieval Christianity, or orthodox pre-Medieval and orthodox post-Medieval Christianity: The Last Judgment. St Mary's is part of the St Mark's little family of Churches - a dysfunctional family -  supposedly liberal and enlightened, demonstrably not liberal and enlightened, yet another Ego-Church, if a generalization can be risked.

 

Joe Pritchard also claims this:

 

'Paul is NOT telling us not to mourn.  He is telling us that we shouldn’t be like non-Christians in our grief; for us, we have that hope that death for faithful Christians is but a sleep until the return of Christ, at which point they will awake and be re-united with all those who they have loved. Yes – we will grieve, we will be sad, we will miss those who’re gone ahead of us – but we have that hope.'

 

It's clear that to him, the non-believers, the unredeemed, have no hope. The unredeemed include all those who lived through or died in the Sheffield Blitz who never, for one reason or another, accepted Jesus as Saviour, the sailors of the Merchant Navy who crossed the Atlantic to deliver the goods, including the armaments, needed to defend this country against Nazi aggression, whose ships were sunk by U-boats (at which point their pay ended) and were either rescued or died in the Atlantic Ocean - except for the small minority of sailors who had accepted Jesus as Saviour and who did 'have that hope.' For this preacher, for mainstream Christianity, all the people who took part in that operation of vast complexity and enormous courage, D-Day, which eventually led, with other operations of massive complexity,  to the liberation of Europe, the titanic struggle is reduced to a pitiful remnant: the grotesque issue of whether those who fought and died had accepted the 'hope' offered by Jesus.

 

This is a photograph showing the execution of a mother and her child in Ivanhorod, Ukraine, during a mass execution of Jews in 1942. The mother is trying to shield her child with her own body.

 

 

Now, you Christians - the mother here is Jewish and, unless she happened to be a Christian convert - very, very unlikely -  died unredeemed. Do you believe that the child too died unredeemed? Did mother and child have exactly the same eternal destiny as the member of the Einsatzgruppe who shot them? Is this what your religion teaches? Is this what you believe? Givers of money - do you want your money to go to this cause? Can't you think of a much better one?

 

All the people who fought on the Nazi side who had accepted Jesus as Saviour, were, according to this view, saved: they had 'that hope.' Including this one?

 

 

Ernst Biberstein, who studied theology from 1919 to 1921. He became a Protestant pastor in 1924. During the war, he was the commanding officer of Einsatzkommando 6,  which executed between 2000 and 3000 people.  This Einsatzkommando was part of the Einsatzgruppen, mobile death squads, which killed about 1.3 million Jews. After the war, he was tried and sentenced to death but the sentence was commuted. He was released in 1958 and returned to the clergy. He resumed the preaching of the 'Gospel of Salvation,' an abbreviated name for the 'Gospel of Salvation and Damnation.'

 

There seems every reason to believe that he was a committed Christian and qualified for salvation according to the orthodox Christian view. There's every reason to believe that virtually all the people massacred by his execution squads and the other Einsatzgruppen were not qualified for salvation according to the orthodox Christian view, every reason to believe that virtually all the people killed in the Nazi gas chambers were unqualified for salvation - unqualified, that is, only in the deranged Christian doctrines of redemption.

 

There's every reason to believe that John Smyth was a committed Christian who 'knew' that Jesus was his saviour, who felt certain that Jesus was his saviour - or was under the illusion that Jesus was his saviour or had a belief in a person who wasn't the saviour of the world after all.

 

A NEW CREATIONS Photographic Gallery.

 

This has photographs not taken by me, together with other images, eg drawings, not created by me.

 

Introduction to the Gallery

 

It will show Christian believers, the 'New Creations,' the 'redeemed,' as well as people unqualified for salvation, the 'unredeemed. In some cases, it would be impossible to know if the people in the photograph are 'redeemed' or 'unredeemed.'  The point is that any attempt to classify them in this way is hideously cruel.

 

'NEW CREATIONS' GALLERY

'Ecclesiasticality' and those outside

 

The 'New Creations' are the Church leaders and members of congregations who seem sure that they have been redeemed.  If anyone appears in a photograph here who isn't in this category, then the photograph will be removed, if I'm informed.

 

 

Above. New Creation Stephen Cottrell, Archbishop of York. He is holding a crozier. The crozier takes the form of a shepherd's crook, used to keep flocks of sheep or herds of goats in order. In the churches, the congregations are the flocks of sheep.

 

 

Above. New Creation Sarah Mullally, Bishop of London

 

 

Above. Official Portrait of the Lord Bishop of Oxford, New Creation Steven Croft

 

 

Above, the Logo of the Alpha Course, not a good name, I think. The Alpha Course omits, of course, so many aspects of Christian belief, so many aspects completely missing from Christian belief. It's a completely inadequate, farcically inadequate Indoctrination Course. I've never been enrolled in the course, but I've studied it - the subjects included - in more than enough detail to be sure of this. Amongst the topics missing are all the difficulties to do with the dotrine of redemption, covered in detail on this page and other pages of the site. One of the people who wastes his own time and the time of other people - although perhaps not many people - is Canon Dr Neal Barnes of Liverpool Cathedral. A more detailed account of this Cathedral Functionary will be needed.

 

The Alpha Course claims to help people to discover 'The Meaning of Life.' By which they mean, as a central teaching, the doctrine that all people are subject to God's righteous anger on account of their sins (not including the owning, the buying and the selling of slaves in the many centuries when Christians did just that) but that in his goodness, God had sent his son to save a proportion of sinful humanity - a very small proportion, as it happens.

 

Instead of giving up their time to attend an Alpha Course, people would have a far more constructive time watching 'The Meaning of Life,' one of the Monty Python films, mentioned in this publicity material. It would make more sense than the Christian Grand Scheme.

 

Better by far to watch another of the films mentioned here, 'The Life of Brian,' which many Christians considered blasphemous. The film isn't harmful at all. It's the Christian religion which is harmful. Again, the evidence is presented on this and other pages.

 

 

 

Above.  'Breaker boys,' child labourers in a Pennsylvania mine, who carried out backbreaking word underground, at risk of crushing from rock falls, drowning in the underground waters, being burned alive in underground fires, to supply people with some of the necessities and comforts of life.

I doubt if many - or perhaps any of them -  had the necessary belief ' for salvation. For most of them, or all of them, it would be a case of  backbreaking work underground followed by damnation, according to the hideous Christian theology of redemption.

 

 

Above, monument in Lichfield, Staffordshire. The caption:  'Edward Wightman of Burton-on-Trent was burnt at the stake in this market place for Heresy 11th April 1612 being the last person in England so to die.'

 

The Church of England has been a torturer and burner of heretics, but not as prolific a torturer and burner as the Roman Catholic church.

 


Above, Edward Wightman being burned alive. He was an Anabaptist and had denied the doctrine of the Trinity, so he could not qualify for redemption. It's likely that most of the people carrying out the burning and watching the burning did qualify for redemption. On the other hand, King James I, King of England and Ireland after reigning as King James VI of Scotland - he played a leading part in ensuring that Edward Wightman was burned - would have qualified for redemption.

 

 

Above, someone else who did qualify for salvation, by all accounts: George Abbot, the barbarian who was Archbishop of Canterbury at the time of Edward Wightman's execution for heresy. The Archbishop was one of the translators of the 'King James Bible.'

 

 

 

 

Above, King James, in the setting of the Banqueting Hall, Whitehall.

 

Above, adulatory painting by Rubens of King James being carried to heaven by angels.

 

 

Above, title page of King James's book 'Daemonologie,' edition of 1603, which included discussion of the methods allegedly use by demons against men and women. The book endorsed the practice of witch hunting. The King practised what he preached. He was a very vigorous persecutor of alleged witches.

 

From the Website of the British Library

 

 https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/king-james-vi-and-is-demonology-1597

 

'In 1597, King James VI of Scotland published a compendium on witchcraft lore called Daemonologie. It was also published in England in 1603 when James acceded to the English throne.


'The book asserts James’s full belief in magic and witchcraft, and aims to both prove the existence of such forces and to lay down what sort of trial and punishment these practices merit – in James’s view, death.'

 

From the site

http://www.wondersandmarvels.com/2014/07/

king-james-i-demonologist.html

 

'James personally oversaw the trials by torture for around seventy individuals implicated in the North Berwick Witch Trials, the biggest Scotland had known ... The trial resulted in possibly dozens of people burned at the stake, although the precise number is unknown.

 

'In 1597, James published Daemonologie, his rebuttal of Reginald Scot’s skeptical work, The Discoverie of Witchcraft, which questioned the very existence of witches. Daemonologie was an alarmist book, presenting the idea of a vast conspiracy of satanic witches threatening to undermine the nation.

 

'In 1604, only one year after James ascended to the English throne, he passed his new Witchcraft Act, which made raising spirits a crime punishable by execution.

...

'In 1612, the King’s paranoid fantasy of satanic conspiracy, planted in the minds of local magistrates eager to win his favor, culminated in one of the key manifestations of the Jacobean witch-craze—the trials of the Lancashire Witches, accused of plotting to blow up Lancaster Castle with gunpowder. Eight women and two men were executed.

 

Above, King James, seated, supervising women accused of witchcraft. 

 

 

Above. The title page of the King James Bible,edition of 1611. The English translations on this page come from the 'New King James Bible.'

 

'TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE JAMES, [BY THE GRACE OF GOD,] KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &c.

'The Translators of the Bible wish Grace, Mercy, and Peace, through JESUS CHRIST our Lord.

'GREAT and manifold were the blessings, most dread Sovereign, which Almighty God, the Father of all mercies, bestowed upon us the people of [England], when first he sent Your Majesty's Royal Person to rule and reign over us.'

 

The King James Bible saw the scriptures rewritten to further the King’s agenda. Exodus 22:18, originally translated as, “Thou must not suffer a poisoner to live,” became “Thou must not suffer a witch to live.” '

 

The reference to 'poisoner' here is mistaken. The Hebrew word does not mean 'poisoner.' The translation is subject to some dispute but all the translations give an instruction which will be condemned, rightly so, by people whose faculties are intact.  The Good News Translation is

'Put to death any woman who practices magic.

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In his epistle to the Galations (5:19-21) St Paul condemns various sins, 'works of the flesh' in the King James translation, including, in this translation, adultery, fornication, uncleanness, drunkenness, revellings - and, also, witchcraft and heresies.

 

 

Above, Nuremberg, 1493, from the 'Nuremberg Chronicle.' Christians are very likely to insist that it's better to live in a Christian society than in a non-Christian one. Eco-Christians will insist it's also better to live in a society without contemporary levels of pollution and other environmental problems than in a society which has those problems.

 

Nuremberg was just such a society. Nuremberg was ravaged by plague in 1405, 1435, 1437, 1482, 1494, 1520, and 1534.

 

Jesus is often supposed to have healed a few people but wasn't at all helpful in giving advice as to how to avoid infectious disease. The people of Christian Europe tried prayer, with no success.

 

There was an increase in religious passion. Various groups were blamed and were targeted, including Jews, beggars and lepers. Lepers and  people with skin diseases were killed in many parts of Europe. The plague was also said to be due to earthquakes, astrological influences, or God's punishment for sin.

 

 

 

 

Above, Calvin Robinson, ex-GBNews Opinionator. The material here can do only partial justice to this figure. To do justice to his wide-ranging mistakes and misconceptions would need a much longer commentary.

 

Calvin Robinson ran a 'Common Sense Crusade.' In a religious context, 'crusade' could be considered a tainted word. It seems that Calvin Robinson - and GB News - are ignorant of the horrific persecutions associated with the word.

 

 I know that Calvin Robinson has an Anglo-Catholic view of the sacraments, including baptism. He believes that baptism is a very important step in the life of a Christian. It turns out that doctrines of baptism have unexpected difficulties, to do with validity. Theologians have got to work to address the difficulties and have come up with contradictory, mutually exclusive solutions, as so often in theology. I wonder if Calvin Robinson, as a person with common sense - to his own satisfaction, at least - has a view on one aspect of baptism, to do with valid and invalid liquids. This is an extract from the site http://www.archbishoplefebvre.com/ which, according to the site, 'is devoted to the Truth which is the Catholic Faith ... '

 

'The code of canon law explains that "true, clean, and natural water" is necessary for baptism (canon 849). Liquids can be assessed in three categories: Those that are certainly valid, those that are doubtfully valid, and those that are certainly invalid. Certainly valid liquids include water as found in rivers, oceans, lakes, hot springs, melted ice or snow, mineral water, dew, slightly muddy water (as long as the water predominates), and slightly brackish water. 'Doubtfully valid liquids are those that are a mixture of water and some other substance, such as beer, soda, light tea, thin soup or broth, and artificially scented water such as rose water.The last category is of liquids which are certainly invalid. It includes oil, urine, grease, phlegm, shoe polish, and milk. 'The rule of thumb is that, in emergency situations, you should always try to baptize with certainly valid liquids, beginning with plain, clean water. If plain water isn't available, baptize with a doubtfully valid liquid using the formula, "If this water is valid, I baptize you in the name of the Father . . ." ... Never attempt to baptize anyone with a certainly invalid liquid.'   So, in an emergency, baptizing a baby with beer or thin soup (but not thick soup) will be adequate or more than adequate, providing the priest says 'I baptize you in the name of the Father ... ' But attempts to baptize a baby with shoe polish won't work, even if the priest says 'I baptize you in the name of the Father ... ' Canon law makes this absolutely clear.

 

I wonder if Calvin Robinson, using his common sense perspective, would agree with this statement of doctrine or not. Perhaps the Free Church of England, the branch of the Church he belongs to, would take a different view: that baptizing a baby with shoe polish would be effectual after all, even if the Church would prefer to use other liquids, such as slightly muddy water (provided that it contains not very much mud.)

 

 

The sword here is obviously not a sword made of metal, or wood or plastic but a purely imaginary sword, and the man here is obviously in the grip of an illusion-delusion, that he's a warrior - a crusader, perhaps - for Christ. What exactly does he imagine himself doing with that imaginary sword - not killing imaginary enemies, surely, let alone imitating the atrocious example of the bloodthirsty brute Godfrey of Bouillon or someone similar. There were many, many people who were 'someone similar' to Godfrey of Bouillon in the Christian centuries. This could be called a laughable picture but it's not one to be laughed at. Laugh at jokes, good ones, comedians, comedy films, comedy shows, comedy programmes, good ones, but there's no flair or inventiveness in this picture and nothing that's actually funny.

 

The man is praying, of course. The idea that earnest prayer is a brave activity is ridiculous, not funny.

 

 

 

The massive gulf between enlightened systems of justice and the beliefs of many or most churches

 

Enlightened systems:

Children in general lack experience of life, lack the intellectual and other capacities to be found in adults (but not always found in adults.) It would be grossly unfair to treat young children as adults, to expose them to criminal punishment. Below the age of criminal responsibility, children can't be arrested or charged with a crime.

 

The churches (many churches):

Children who fail to accept Jesus as Saviour spend eternity in separation from God. The 'teaching' of Jesus and 'St' Paul never mentions an age of 'redemption responsibility.' Ten year olds or five year olds or even one year olds can presumably be 'judged' as adults.

 

'Environmentally conscious' Christians, Christians with an interest in 'LGBQT issues,' Christians with strong political views, also have Christian beliefs on a range of other issues, such as ones to do with redemption and 'sin.'  If they don't, can they call themselves Christians at all? As I see it, Christian doctrine is in a confused, contradictory - hideous - state and always has been. I provide the evidence for my view. Christians tend to have a fondness for fine phrases (or inflated claims) whilst neglecting specifics.

 

I was speaking to a Christian at a South Yorkshire Evangelical Church, one which teaches the doctrine of 'Hellfire for All' (except for the small minority of believing Christians) and I asked him some questions, but not using these exact words: Is there an age limit which applies to redemption? An age below which a person can't be sent to Hell - for eternity? I can't find any mention of an age limit in the Bible. The Bible doesn't state that a ten year old can never be sent to Hell, or a five year old. Is it possible, in your view, for children to be sent to Hell - or a baby to be sent to Hell? He said, quietly, that he knew of no such restriction. I was stunned by his answer, but knew that this hideous admission represented orthodox Christian doctrines, or a massive gap in orthodox Christian doctrines.

 

Again and again, I find evidence that the 'teaching' of Jesus was defective in its 'guidance,'  leaving so much scope for later Christian 'teachers' to do their worst. 'St' Augustine (the so-called 'Augustine of Hippo,' not the 'Augustine of Canterbury')  taught that deceased unbaptized babies go to Hell 'where God subjects them to eternal fire.'

 

Of course, expecting a fifteen year old  to realize that acts which are serious crimes shouldn't be committed is one thing. Expecting a fifteen year old to have examined the evidence and to have come to the conclusion that Christ is 'the answer' is very different. A fifteen year old can't possibly be expected to have come to that conclusion. There are many, many things that could deter a possible convert - that should deter a possible convert. Is the record of the churches a record to inspire  automatic respect? The record of abuse within the churches alone will be enough to deter people from putting their trust in the churches. My view of the world is a secular one: these issues belong to the hideous world of Christian theology.

 

Miscellaneous Materiality

 

The material above is very varied. The material which follows continues the pattern - very varied, miscellaneous but not haphazard, all of it intended to guide the orthodox reader, and the unorthodox reader, if they allow it,  towards the conclusion that Christianity is false and can't be defended

 

Any readers who think they can defend Christianity are welcome to contact me. Any readers who think they can successfully demolish the arguments and evidence I give on this and other pages are welcome to contact me.  Perhaps I could arrange space on this page or another page to publish these defences, but obviously there are plenty of publishing outlets  available to Christians who want to show just how mistaken counter-evangelists are, or so they think.

 

From my page Abuse, safeguarding, faith: the Churches and their failures,  which includes this extract from the page

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-59754035

 

A primary school deputy head teacher and her partner have been jailed for dozens of child sexual abuse offences, including nine counts of rape.

Julie Morris, 44, the safeguarding lead at a school in Wigan, and David Morris filmed themselves abusing and raping a girl under the age of 13.

The teacher was jailed for 13 years and four months.

Her 52-year-old partner, of St Helens, admitted 34 offences at a previous hearing and was jailed for 16 years.

Julie Morris, of Hindley, worked at St George's Central C of E Primary School in Wigan but the charges are not related to her employment.

Liverpool Crown Court heard the videos showed Julie Morris giggling as the abuse took place.

Honorary Recorder of Liverpool, Judge Andrew Menary, said: "Every now and again you see cases, the circumstances of which are almost beyond belief. This is one of those cases.

"It demonstrates that human depravity really knows no depths."

The Crown Prosecution Service said it was one of the most horrific cases they have had to deal with.

"It truly appears like both of them were equally involved," district crown prosecutor Damion Lloyd said.

"They've formed this horrendous sexual interest in children and they've acted out their most unpleasant fantasies on the victim.

"It feels like the relationship between them is just a self-feeding cycle where they have effectively driven each other on to worse and worse acts."

In his 20 years of prosecuting, he said it was the "pinnacle" of the most "disgusting and depraved types of acts that people can discuss and do".

...

 

Julie Morris admitted two counts of rape, nine of inciting a child under the age of 13 to engage in sexual activity and two of engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child.

She also admitted three counts of taking indecent images of a child, one of engaging in sexual communication with a child and one of possessing indecent images of a child.

 

It shouldn't be assumed that the worst wrong-doers receive the harshest punishment from the divine Supreme Court. In the ridiculous, shocking, contemptible Christian scheme of things, different rules apply. Supposedly, the power of God is displayed by God's ability to forgive massive 'sinfulness.' If offenders like Julie Morris confess their sin, they are spared the extreme penalties enforced against loving mothers and fathers, people who have laid down their lives in defence of freedom who never 'invited the Lord Jesus into their lives' ... It's a matter of some doubt if the extreme offenders even have to confess their sin. This is the theology of a madhouse.

 

The page

 

https://ncsheffield.org/deeperwaters/

is part of the Website of Network Church, Philadelphia, famous, or infamous, as the Church where, allegedly, attempts were made to 'cure' Matthew Drapper of his homosexuality by driving out the demons allegedly causing his homosexuality. The allegations of Matthew Drapper have all been found to be credible in the Barnardo's report. Demonic possession as a cause of homosexuality is credible to many, many credulous Christians but not generally credible in the least.

 

The Network Church page is about the visit of two people. One is 'Sarah' who is 'from Adventures with Jesus.'

 

https://adventureswithjesus.co.uk/


'Sarah from Adventures with Jesus
Her heart is for children to encounter Jesus for themselves: to recognise Hs voice, grow confident in hearing, seeing and sensing Him and to live from a place of being His best friend, knowing they are powerful and significant in God's family. Her aim is for children's faith to be activated through a wide range of experiences so that they are set up for a lifetime of adventures with Jesus!'

 

The other is Bishop Ellie Sanderson, shown here

 

'Ellie currently serves as the Bishop of Hull in the Diocese of York and is their lead bishop for Missionary Discipleship and Evangelism ... Ellie is going to talk about her desire to see God's church go deeper in our friendship with God.'

 

Perhaps the two of them would like to comment on these Bible texts:

 

Psalm 137:9

'Babylon, you will be destroyed.
Happy are those who pay you back
for what you have done to us-

who take your babies
and smash them against a rock.'


The Christian God and mass killing:

 

Exodus 11 [4] So Moses said, "This is what the Lord says: 'About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. [5] Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well.'

 

Exodus 12:29 records that 'the Lord' did exactly what he had promised - committed mass murder, including the killing of male babies and male children, the killing of babies and children who were the sons of women slaves, the killing of husbands. They could already face separation from husband or children if the 'owner' decided to sell family members to different owners - these killings were a new horror in the horrific lives of these women.

 

Or perhaps they wouldn't like to comment, or couldn't possibly comment. Ideally, it would be good if they could comment too on my earlier claim that there's no 'age of redemption' mentioned in the Bible, an age below which God in his infinite wisdom would refuse to condemn the soul to damnation, or everlasting separation from his presence.

 

 

The differences of opinion called 'heresies' have led to conflicts which were far more than tedious and tiresome. In the past, these conflicts have sometimes lasted for a very long time, for centuries even, and have led to massive loss of life and hideous abuses such as torture.

 

Bishop Cottrell is an Anglo-Catholic. He favours the Catholic view of things. As a matter of interest, I wonder how he interprets the hideous persecutions of heretics carried out by Roman Catholics. Roman Catholics have regarded Protestants as heretics and Protestants have regarded Catholics as heretics. Roman Catholics and Protestants have viewed non-orthodox believers as heretics, to be wiped out.

 

The persecution of the Cathars by the Roman Catholic Church was one persecution out of many, of course. From the Wikipedia entry on the Albigensian Crusade.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

 

 

The Cathars originated from an anti-materialist reform movement within the Bogomil churches of the Balkans calling for what they saw as a return to the Christian message of perfection, poverty and preaching, combined with a rejection of the physical. The reforms were a reaction against the often perceived scandalous and dissolute lifestyles of the Catholic clergy.

 

Their theology, Gnostic in many ways, was basically dualist. Several of their practices, especially their belief in the inherent evil of the physical world, conflicted with the doctrines of the Incarnation of Christ and Catholic sacraments. This led to accusations of Gnosticism and attracted the ire of the Catholic establishment. They became known as the Albigensians because many adherents were from the city of Albi and the surrounding area in the 12th and 13th centuries.

 

[Some events]

 

'Crusader army commanded by the Archbishop of Bordeaux took Casseneuil and burned several accused heretics at the stake.'

 

'

The Crusaders captured the small village of Servian and then headed for Béziers, arriving on 21 July 1209. Under the command of Amalric,they started to besiege the city, calling on the Catholics within to come out, and demanding that the Cathars surrender. Neither group did as commanded. The city fell the following day when an abortive sortie was pursued back through the open gates. The entire population was slaughtered   and the city burned to the ground. It was reported that Amalric, when asked how to distinguish Cathars from Catholics, responded, "Kill them all! God will know his own." Strayer doubts that Amalric actually said this, but maintains that the statement captures the "spirit" of the Crusaders, who killed nearly every man, woman, and child in the town.

 

Amalric and Milo wrote in a letter to the Pope, claimed that the Crusaders "put to the sword almost 20,000 people".Strayer says that this estimate is too high, but noted that in his letter "the legate expressed no regret about the massacre ... "

 

'In May the castle of Aimery de Montréal was retaken; he and his senior knights were hanged, and several hundred Cathars were burned.'

 

' In June, an army under Amaury de Montfort,  son of the late Simon,joined by Louis, besieged Marmande. The town fell  in June 1219. Its occupants, excluding only the commander and his knights, were massacred.'

 

'On 16 March 1244, in retaliation for the killing of the inquisitors nearly two years earlier, a large massacre took place, in which over 200 Cathar perfects were burnt in an enormous pyre at the prat dels cremats ("field of the burned") near the foot of the castle. Included in the massacre was Bertrand Marty, the Cathar bishop of Toulouse from 1225.

 

After this, Catharism did not completely vanish, but was practiced by its remaining adherents in secret. The Inquisition continued to search for and attempt to prosecute Cathars. While few prominent men joined the Cathars, a small group of ordinary followers remained and were generally successful at concealing themselves. The Inquisitors sometimes used torture as a method to find Cathars, but still were able to catch only a relatively small number.

 

[The issue of genocide]

 

Raphael Lemkin, who coined the word who coined the word "genocide"   in the 20th century,referred to the Albigensian Crusade as "one of the most conclusive cases of genocide in religious history." Mark Gregory Pegg .wrote, "The Albigensian Crusade ushered genocide into the West by linking divine salvation to mass murder  sacrifice on the cross."

Robert E. Lerner argued that Pegg's classification of the Albigensian Crusade as a genocide was inappropriate on the grounds that it "was proclaimed against unbelievers ... not against a 'genus' or people; those who joined the crusade had no intention of annihilating the population of southern France ... If Pegg wishes to connect the Albigensian Crusade to modern ethnic slaughter, well—words fail me (as they do him)."

Laurence Marvin is not as dismissive as Lerner regarding Pegg's contention that the Albigensian Crusade was a genocide, but he takes issue with Pegg's argument that the Albigensian Crusade formed an important historical precedent for later genocides, including the Holocaust.

 

From the Wikipedia page

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

 

 

Starting in the 1990s and continuing to the present day, historians like R. I. Moore  have challenged the extent to which Catharism, as an institutionalised religion, actually existed. Building on the work of  French historians  such as Monique Zerner and Uwe Brunn, Moore's The War on Heresy argues that Catharism was "contrived from the resources of [the] well-stocked imaginations" of churchmen, "with occasional reinforcement from miscellaneous and independent manifestations of local anticlericalism or apostolic enthusiasm." In short, Moore claims that the men and women persecuted as Cathars were not the followers of a secret religion imported from the East. Instead, they were part of a broader spiritual revival taking place in the later twelfth and early thirteenth centuries. Moore's work is indicative of a larger historiographical trend towards examining how heresy was constructed by the church.

Scholars since the 1990s have referred to the fearful rumours of Cathars as a moral panic. The crusade against Cathars as a possibly-imaginary enemy has been compared to European witch-hunts, anti-Semitic  persecution, and the Satanic Panic.  

In 2016, Cathars in Question, edited by Antonio Sennis, presented a range of conflicting views by academics of medieval heresy ... Sennis describes the debate as about "an issue which is highly controversial and hotly debated among scholars: the existence of a medieval phenomenon which we can legitimately call 'Catharism.'"

Dr. Andrew Roach in The English Historical Review  commented that "Reconciliation still seems some distance away [among the] distinguished, if sometimes cantankerous, scholars" who contributed to the volume. He said:

The debate is a now familiar one which has been rehearsed for a number of periods and contexts, namely, given that the overwhelming majority of sources about medieval heresy come not from "heretics" themselves but from their persecutors, is there any way historians can be sure that this classification is not just a result of mindsets  driven by pre-conceptions of what is correct or the conscious "fitting up" of opponents?

—  Roach 2018, pp. 396–398

Professor Rebecca Rist describes the academic controversy as the "heresy debate" – "some of it very heated" – about whether Catharism was a "real heresy with Balkans origins, or rather a construct of western medieval culture, whose authorities wanted to persecute religious dissidents." Rist adds that some historians say the group was an invention of the medieval Church, so there never was a Cathar heresy; while she agrees that the medieval Church exaggerated its threat, she says there is evidence of the heresy's existence.

My view is that there's plentiful evidence of the heresy's existence, that there's plentiful evidence that Catharism was grotesquely mistaken and based on illusory foundations, that there's plentiful evidence that Roman Catholicism, past and present, is grotesquely mistaken and based on illusory foundations - and so are Protestant forms of Christianity, past and present. I take the view that all forms of Christianity are harmful, but with vast differences in their degree of harm.

Some forms of Christianity waste large amounts of time and money, time and money which could be devoted to much more constructive ends. Other forms of Christianity have wasted and still waste vast amounts of money and time and have been actively responsible for torture, persecution and killing on a large or very large scale.

 

Article One Believers

 

'Jesus saves' is a common claim made by Conservative Evangelicals. In general, Conservative Evangelicals are ready to state their belief in salvation for believers in Jesus as Saviour and damnation for the rest. I call Christians who believe this 'Article One Believers.' This is from the Website of the Christian Police Association:

 

We Believe

That the soul of a person is eternal and that there will be a physical resurrection of the body for everyone who will then be judged by the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who have died having believed and received forgiveness will be raised, and together with those believers who are still alive, will be taken to live with Christ forever. Those who have refused to believe will be condemned from God’s presence forever.

 

On this page, I point out a difficulty - far from being the only difficulty - one  left unresolved in the Bible and not addressed by any theologians, so far as I'm aware. No age limit is mentioned. Do those who have these beliefs -  the 'Article One Believers' - believe that ten year old children 'who have refused to believe' will be condemned from God's presence forever? What about 5 year old children? What about 1 year old babies?).

 

Many, many Christians who aren't Conservative Evangelicals do take the view that they will live with Christ forever but that non-believers will have a very different destiny. These people are Article One believers too. They are often very reluctant to declare their belief.

 

Of the people mentioned on this page, it can safely be assumed that Jonny Dyer of Christ Church, Fulwood is an Article One believer and all those at STC Sheffield. I assume that Matthew Rhodes, the Vicar of St John's, Ranmoor, is an Article One believer. I assume that the Bishop of Sheffield is an Article One believer too, since he seems to have Calvinist inclinations. The Staff of the Church Army are likely to be Article One believers. How do Church Army believers cope with the belief that so many of the people they come into contact with in the course of their work  are people condemned by the Article One beliefs concerning redemption? But that would be bad for business.  They want the flow of money to continue. The people giving the money to the Church Army should scrutinize the Church Army very carefully before deciding whether to give or not. Is Malcolm Chamberlain (or, 'The Venerable Malcolm Chamberlain'), the Archdeacon for Sheffield and Rotherham, an Article One believer? Would he be willing to clarify his position? Perhaps not. Is the 'liberal theologian' Beth Keith, the newly appointed Vicar of St Mark's Church an Article One believer? She's a self-proclaimed liberal theologian, progressive theologian. Perhaps her views aren't all they seem. If she doesn't believe in damnation (or separation from God) as a possibility for non-believers, how can she justify her church's close association with so many churches that definitely do - other members of the large group of South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire churches 'Arise,' and the Sheffield Diocese. On the Website of the Rock Evangelical Church there is, or used to be, the statement God hates homosexuality and God hates blasphemy. The Church of England used to support the execution of homosexuals and the execution of blasphemers. Biblical 'evidence' was supplied.

 

 What of the Christians listed in the column to the right, such as the Chaplains at Oxford University? There are many people who would be embarrassed to give an answer. Why is this? These people are Christians, supposedly people unlike non-Christians, with a new life in Jesus and presumably a new destiny, a very different destiny from that of non-Christians, according to the Article One criterion.

 

The Article One criterion is a simple way of conveying important information, with many uses, for example in deciding whether to donate to a Church or Church organization. Don't donate if you don't want money to go to people with these views. Some of the chaplains in the list to the right have safeguarding duties and are involved in pastoral care at an institution. Surely it makes a difference, a very big difference, if the chaplain involved in pastoral care of a person views the person as eternally doomed.

 

The Article One distinctions are relevant to the wider life of an Oxford College, or a Cambridge College, or any other academic institution - relevant to all institutions where Christians have a part to play. An Article One Believer will believe that the mathematicians, scientists, engineers, all the academic staff, in fact, all the members of staff- and obviously all the undergraduate and postgraduate students and people who apply to join the academic community have a very different destiny from the destiny of the believer, unless they acquire the necessary set of beliefs.

 

Members of King's College Chapel, Cambridge, aren't required to be Christian believers. Are we to suppose that if the non-believing members of the choir persist in their non-belief, that their destiny will be a very different one from the destiny of the believing singers?

 

It would be wrong to describe many Christians or most Christians as deranged, but I'd unhesitatingly describe the Article One Beliefs - and not just these beliefs - as deranged.

 

At Remembrance Day services conducted by Church of England clerics for the general public, in public spaces, the problem arises in an acute form. Article One believers take the view that those who died - their names may be on memorials or they may be people whose names are unrecorded there - have been strictly separated into the two groups, those with communion with the god they believe in, and the rest. I view Article One Beliefs, to use the term I've introduced, with complete loathing. I comment on these beliefs quite often in the pages on Christianity, in different contexts and different illustrative examples.

 

Why anyone would want to give money to institutions which foster these loathsome doctrines I've no idea. To anyone tempted to give money, I'd say this: are you sure, absolutely sure that you can't find a better use for your money?

 

This page is the Hub of South Yorkshire Counter-Evangelism (SYCE). See also

 

Christian religion: criticism
Arise! Church Guide

Abuse, safeguarding and the Churches

BILLINGSGATE: Ichtheology

Street Pastors and policing

 

In this column

 

Some objections to Christianity
The Church of England and Remembrance Sunday
Church buildings: aesthetics and ethics. Visiting cathedrals and churches. Supporting them financially by paying an admission charge or donating

 

Some objections to Christianity

 

These are miscellaneous objections, covered in greater detail and more systematically on other pages of the site.

 



'Bible Truth?'
'God's Word?'

 

Peter Hitchens: 'I believe in the absolute goodness of God.'
(Interview with 'Risen Magazine.')

 

Christian believers ... do you believe that God carried out the mass killing of babies, children and men, the first born of Egypt? Do you believe that God advocated the violent killing of babies, as recorded in Psalm 137? Do you believe that God ordered or carried out the mass killing of men, women and children, as recorded in other passages of the Bible?

 

Do you believe that only people who accept Christ as personal redeemer can expect an eternity in union with God. Do you believe in the eternal damnation of everyone who fails to accept Jesus as risen redeemer?

 

Cathedrals, churches, chapels appeal for donations repeatedly, on their Websites and inside their buildings. What of visitors to these places, for example, people visiting Lincoln Cathedral, or York or Winchester - do you believe that all these visitors spend eternity in separation from God, apart from the minority who accept Christ as redeemer. What of the people who built the place or keep it in good repair now? What of the people who respond to your appeal for money by donating money? It isn't part of orthodox Christianity - or unorthodox Christianity - to suppose that the big givers go to heaven or that all the donors go to heaven. Do you believe in what seems to be required by Christian doctrine, that all the donors are condemned to eternal separation from God - except for the donors who accept Jesus as redeemer spend eternity in union with God? 

 

Shouldn't potential donors consider very carefully the issues before they decide to donate?

 

There are many, many other causes they can give to which aren't tainted by the hideous cruelties perpetrated by christians over the centuries. Again and again, cathedrals and churches stress the history of the church, the glorious history of the church, in ways which amount to active distortion. For example, many many readers would never realize that Church of England cathedrals and churches in the older age bracket were once Roman Catholic, vastly different in doctrine and practice.

 

On this page and other pages, I stress current mistakes, the deeply disturbing ones and the lesser ones which are still harmful, but I also draw attention to the continuity of past and present. When Christians choose to ignore the atrocities which litter the history of the Christian churches or are very selective in the examples they are ready to take into account, then reminders of the grim facts are essential.

 

Christians, can you excuse the cruelties carried out in so many of the centuries when the churches were dominant - the many, many executions for heresy, blasphemy and witchcraft, burning alive - and boiling alive, a punishment sometimes used in Christian England - the use of torture, the massacres of Jews, Protestant-Catholic wars and atrocities?

 

From the Website of Lichfield Cathedral: 'Christian giving is ... a duty laid on us by God, and to give cheerfully and liberally is to put scriptural principles into practice.'

 

Richard Neile, the Bishop of Lichfield at the time, played a major part in the execution in 1612 of Edward Wightman, burned alive for heresy. The Bishop would have believed that he was putting scriptural principles into practice.

 

Boiling alive was a punishment ordered in some cases by King Henry VIII. Supplementary information about him:

 

Henry VIII was responsible for as many as 57,000 executions during his reign. 'Defender of the faith' (Fidei Defensor) is a title of English and later British monarchs since 1521, when it was bestowed on Henry VIII.  It was revoked when Henry VIII decided to break with Rome and to make himself head of the Church of England.The King was excommunicated by Pope Paul III. But the Parliament of England conferred on the sadist King as well as his successors (which include King Charles III) the title 'Defender of the Faith and of the Church of England and also of Ireland in Earth the Supreme Head.'

 

Sheffield Diocese is a member of 'Arise!' a large group of Churches in Sheffield and North Derbyshire. Another member of 'Arise' is the Rock Christian Centre. The people there really do believe in demons, like the people at countless churches.

 

From the Rock Christian Centre Website.

 

http://www.rockchristiancentre.org/what-we-believe/

They believe in

'The divine inspiration and supreme authority of the Old and New Testament Scriptures, which are the written Word of God - fully trustworthy for faith and conduct.

The personal and visible return of Jesus Christ to fulfil the purposes of God, who will raise all people to judgement, bring eternal life to the redeemed and eternal condemnation to the lost, and establish a new heaven and new earth.' 'The lost,' who are eternally condemned, include children and their parents if they have never accepted Christ as their 'personal Lord and Saviour,' and, of course, all people who have failed to commit themselves to Christ. They include all the allied soldiers, sailors and airmen who fought to defeat the Nazis, including those who liberated the concentration camps and the Jews who died in the concentration and extermination camps - except for the small minority of believers in the Risen Redeemer.

 

Very large numbers of  children have been abused by Roman Catholic priests and others in the Church, in many, many countries  - allegations, investigations, trials, convictions, admissions of guilt, apologies by the Church, attempts by Church authorities to do nothing and to cover up the cases of abuse. The abused include mostly boys but also girls, some as young as three years old, with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

 

From the report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, 2022:

 

'Throughout this investigation, we heard appalling accounts of child sexual abuse perpetrated by clergy and those associated with the Roman Catholic Church. The abuse covers a spectrum of sexual offending including acts of masturbation, oral sex, vaginal rape and anal rape, accompanied on occasions by beatings and other acts of violence. There have been many hundreds of victims and complainants over many decades.'

 

Clergy and others in the Church of England have been responsible for horrific abuse too and all too often, the abuse has been ignored by senior clergy. Despite changes in the church's approach, new cases emerge.

 

From the report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, 2022:

 

'Between 2003 and 2018, the main insurer of the Church of England (the Ecclesiastical Insurance Office) managed 217 claims relating to child sexual abuse in the Church. v The Anglican Church: Investigation Report The culture of the Church of England facilitated it becoming a place where abusers could hide. Deference to the authority of the Church and to individual priests, taboos surrounding discussion of sexuality and an environment where alleged perpetrators were treated more supportively than victims presented barriers to disclosure that many victims could not overcome. Another aspect of the Church’s culture was clericalism, which meant that the moral authority of clergy was widely perceived as beyond reproach.'

 

The churches believed their own 'teaching,' that the Christian believer was a new person, transformed, now guided by the Holy Spirit, now with all the benefits of God's Word, the Bible, now part of the historic Church, a community of believers, extending deep into the past. The massive, ever increasing evidence to the contrary could not be ignored. Orthodox Christians were committing vile acts and the historic teaching of the Church had failed to control these abuses.

 

What the Church was compelled to do was this: to turn to secular methods instead of relying upon distinctively Christian methods. It has appointed 'safeguarding officers' in the dioceses and parishes. Cathedral and church and church school websites now give prominence to safeguarding policies which include safeguarding information. A significant number of these safeguarding officers will have what amounts to 'modified' Christian belief, Christian belief which takes into account modern and enlightened views of the issues, and Christian belief accompanied by some common sense. A significant number of these safeguarding officers will be completely unsuitable for their roles.

 

The responses of Churches to the findings of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse are astonishing - and very, very revealing.

 

This is an extract from the response of the Methodist Church (1 March 2022) changes and additions to its policy after a policy review:

 

1. The policy statement now includes a definition of “safeguarding” and why it is integral to the mission of the Methodist Church. It includes a definition of the term “abuse”, information about contextual safeguarding and examples of the various forms which abuse can take, including peer-on-peer abuse;

 

2. The policy includes a "Code of safer working practice with children and young people”, which sets standards for appropriate conduct and provides a template for local churches to produce their own version of the document;

 

3. It includes a section entitled “Procedures for responding well to safeguarding incidents” which gives guidance on how to respond to allegations and when to make referrals to statutory agencies;

 

 4. Safer recruitment procedures have been reviewed and amended;

 

5. The role and purpose of District Safeguarding Groups have been made clearer and core standards and criteria have been introduced;

 

6. A new comprehensive training programme for all those involved in monitoring and supporting those subject to safeguarding contracts is being piloted.

 

This is a secular way of attempting to make improvements. This is a long, long way from 'The Way, the Truth and the Life,' the Bible-centred way promoted by those Christian Websites, the way which attracts funds and which sometimes attracts converts, with its staggeringly naive claims - that followers of Jesus become more like Jesus, guided by the Holy Spirit, and the staggeringly naive claim that prayer works.

 

The Christian way failed, and failed abysmally, to protect the vulnerable from harm. The 'imitation of Christ,' 'sanctification,' becoming more and more like Christ as the believer matures in faith - all these have failed. The churches encourage Christians to pray about the most diverse topics, big and small, not noticing the lack of evidence that prayer works.

 

Faced with the cumulative evidence of deeply disturbing abuse in the Churches, the Churches didn't set out to solve the problem by organized prayer. In the case of this issue, they were not allowed to get away with it. Attempts to 'solve' the problem by means of prayer would not have been accepted. They have had to use other methods,  including 'referrals to statutory agencies.

 

A contemporary version of the Book of Common Prayer includes these futile requests (V, spoken by the celebrant at the service) and responses (R, from the congregation)

V. Endue thy ministers with righteousness;
R. And make thy chosen people joyful.
V. Give peace, O Lord, in all the world;
R. For only in thee can we live in safety.

The expectation that God will hear the prayer and make a minister who happens to be a child abuser or someone who does nothing about cases of child abuse brought to the minister's attention is a pious, futile wish asking for wish fulfilment.

The expectation that God will hear the prayer and actually grant peace in any area ravaged by war, let alone grant peace 'in all the world' is grossly deluded.

Wars of any size are won only by the massive expenditure of time and effort, attention to detail, the proper exercise of economic power - and often by a measure of good fortune, never by lazy-minded prayer. The scale of the Allied War effort needed to defeat Nazi Germany and the other axis powers is staggering. I'd  recommend a long, remedial course in military history to theologians who have spent most of their study time on other theologians and the source materials, the Old Testament in Biblical Hebrew and the New Testament in New Testament Greek, with the realization that this is impractical.

I wouldn't, though, regard all these people as beyond redemption - using the phrase in a strictly secular sense, of course. It may well be perfectly possible to show some of them, and, I'd hope, in ever increasing numbers, to shake their faith, to deprive them of the certainty or near certainty that the Christian world is a world of illusion.

Even those people whose experience of Christianity owes so much to the soothing language of the Book of Common Prayer and hymns sing in English country Churches, I'd claim, are sometimes able to think new thoughts, to have new emotdes-, to contemplate the possibility that their beliefs are based upon laziness, a refusal to think, and feel in ways which aren't predetermined by Christian dogmas.

One experience of the horrific imperfections of the world - a very different matter from the claimed 'sins' of the world - may well be decisive, an event which can't easily, if at all, be reconciled with the Christian view of things - or a longer process, a transition which leads the believer to become more and more aware of the smugness of the Christian community, the far greater variety and interest of the non-Christian world, an increasing reluctance to take seriously the Christian claims.

 

What evidence would count as evidence that prayer is effective? Coincidences or fortunate outcomes are not acceptable as evidence. A Christian who prays for success in getting a job in the church and who does get the job isn't in the least entitled to believe that the prayer was answered and that God ensured success in the job application.

 

The entry on Network Church, Sheffield in the column to the left includes material on the alleged driving out of demons to 'cure' homosexuality. Also included, material on Forge Youth, part of Network Church, with extracts from the Website of Forge Youth, on some uses of prayer at Forge Youth. I include this comment:

 

The practices described are harmful, very harmful, surely. Young people should never be encouraged to rely upon prayer as the answer to physical (or psychological) problems. Young people should never be encouraged to believe uncritically that if people recover from an illness or an injury that this must be evidence of 'God's work.' Obviously, the consequences of neglecting proper medical treatment and relying on prayer can be dire.

 

Prayer is used for the same purposes at countless churches, of course.

 

Christians have not been able to use Bible texts to guide them in their attempts to escape from the legacy of gross abuse. St Paul and the other New Testament writers are silent about abuse. They have no reported 'teaching' of Jesus to guide them. Yet abuse at the time of the early Church and for so many centuries afterwards must have been on a massive scale, often taking exceptionally barbaric forms. that were very often exceptionally barbaric.

 

Even so, contemporary abuse can take extreme forms.

 

A case discussed in the column to the left, The case of Julie Morris.  Julie Morris was a primary school deputy head teacher and the safeguarding lead at a school in Wigan.

 

Julie Morris and her partner were imprisoned for dozens of  child sexual abuse offences, including nine counts of rape. They had filmed themselves abusing and raping a girl under the age of 13.

 

One example of a safeguarding document, the information concerning safeguarding on the Website of the Oxford Diocese

 

https://www.oxford.anglican.org/safeguarding

 

An example of failures of safeguarding, multiple failures rather than a single failure, also from the Oxford Diocese, the information I provide in the second column of this page, Action and inaction in the Diocese of Oxford.

 

This claim appears on every page of the Oxford Diocese Website:

 

 

The practice of the Oxford Diocese has been very different in many different ways. To confine attention to the claim that the Diocese is 'courageous' and one important aspect of courage, moral courage, it isn't self evident that the practice has been inspiring or just about adequate on many, many occasions. The Diocese engages in mission, like all other dioceses, like all parishes. But in my experience, none of them make an effort in one aspect of mission which should be vital: apologetics, that is, defending Christian belief against objections. The non-Christians, the lost, the 'unsaved,' are taken to be a homogeneous mass of people, in effect, wandering in darkness, desperately in need of Christian belief, the belief in the 'Risen Redeemer.' Next to no attempt has been made to address the very substantial objections to Christian belief.

 

In many, many of the 'Christian centuries,' it was easy - unbelievers could be tortured to convince them of 'the error of their ways' and executed. When countries began to secularize, when these expedients became unavailable, there was no significant increase in attempts to defend Christianity against objections by means of the spoken or written word, in print and later by means of the internet.

 

No doubt, in private prayer, Christians have continued to send prayers thick and fast to God for the conversion of X, Y or Z or the conversion of a whole country, including communities in distant countries - prayers from England for the success of missionary work in a country in Sub-Saharan Africa, perhaps. And, also prayers for the ending of conflicts in sub-Saharan Africa and terrorism in sub-Saharan Africa.

 

Rational, empirical attempts to confirm the effects of prayer have been lacking. The claim that prayer is beneficial, that prayers are often answered, has never been subjected to honest, extensive appraisal by believers. So believers go on praying and praying - after all, it costs them nothing but the time taken and it enhances the believer's self-esteem. Concrete measures to address suffering, to address wrongs in the real world are very different - generally arduous, requiring enormous effort and in many or most cases twith no guarantee of success - but the successes can be overwhelmingly important and can genuinely transform lives, or aspects of lives.

 

Prayer is facile, like the claim on the Oxford Diocese Website that the diocese is 'contemplative, compassionate, courageous.'

 

Do the Christian Churches deserve to be supported?
Should money be given to them?
No, for many different reasons.

Give money to good causes,
not to the Churches.

Jesus' teaching according to Matthew 5:17 in the New Living Translation:

 

'Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.'

 

The translation of the King James Bible

 

'Think not that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets ...' 

 

Advice on parenting from 'God's Word,' Deuteronomy, 21: 18-21, in the English Standard Version. It too forms part of 'The Law,' and Jesus saw no objection to it.

 

A Rebellious Son

 

18 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, 19 then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, 20 and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst ... '

More from Jesus on God's Law:

 

'I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.' (Matthew 5:18, New Living Translation.)

 

Material on this site tends to be highly dispersed - a comment I make in various pages of the site.  Some of the material below is extracted from the very varied page Home Page Images. It illustrates one aspect of the callousness and heartlessness of orthodox Christianity.

 

There are many, many Christians who may differ in their dogmatic beliefs, with beliefs which contradict the beliefs of other Christians - they can't possibly all be true - but in agreement about this: orthodoxy is the way forward, conservative evangelical and Anglo-Catholic faith. This faith is based upon a literal interpretation of the Bible, a belief that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Don't they see the difficulties here? it seems that they don't. The way forward they endorse seems to be based on complacency and worse, far worse.

Christians, not all, obviously, but a significant proportion,  have believed in every century of Christian belief that God has killed people in natural disasters, such as earthquakes, storms at sea and on land, sending plagues and other diseases as a punishment for 'sin' or as a warning to 'sinners.' There are still many, many Christians who prefer to believe in God as mass killer rather than  accept scientific explanations.

 

Jesus ('God the Son') did nothing to discourage warped views on killing. He warned of the destruction of towns, the punishment of towns with the punishment inflicted on Sodom and Gomorrah - more mass killing, more killing of innocent men, women, children and babies. More on this in the Gospel according to Matthew 10. In this Trinitarian religion the blame is equal and shared. There's no possibility of 'God the Father' being guilty of mass killing but the other two members of the Trinity completely innocent.

 

But these considerations  only arise in a religion which involves the willingness to ignore realities. Elaborate theoretical and theological explanations intended to  excuse God, to absolve him from all blame, to put the entire blame on human agency, have failed to find excuses for the Christian God,  although the excuses generally convince the simple-minded  faithful.

 

2. Slaves

 



The poster relates to slaves on the island of St Helena, colonized in 1659. Extract from the  St Helena 'Laws and Orders, constituted for the Negro Slaves, by the inhabitants of the island, with the approbation of the Governor and Council,' 1670: 


That no Black or Blacks, upon any pretence whatsoever, shall wander from his master’s plantation upon Sundays, without a lawful occasion granted by their said masters or mistresses, either by writing, or some other token that shall be known by the neighbourhood, upon the penalty of ten lashes on his naked body for the first offence, fifteen for the second, twenty for the third, and so for every offence thereafter committed ...

 

Those that shall absent their masters’ service three days, and three nights, shall be punished according to the last foregoing article, and the master make satisfaction for what they have stolen as aforesaid. For the first offence of this kind, the master or masters shall make satisfaction for what is stolen, and repair all damages done by the slave or slaves ; so soon as taken, shall be brought to the fort, and immediately receive, on his naked body, one hundred lashes, then secured ; four days after that, thirty; six days after that, twenty more, and branded in the forehead with the letter R : for the second offence in this kind, he shall be punished as above said, and wear, for one year, a chain and clogs of thirty pounds weight ; and for the third offence, satisfaction shall be made as above said to the loser or losers, and the slave or slaves shall suffer death, at the discretion of the Governor and Council.

 

In case any, slave, from the age of sixteen years and upwards, shall presume and attempt to strike or assault any white person whatsoever, correcting him or otherwise, for any cause whatsoever, shall, for the said offence or offences (though without weapon or dangerous instrument) undergo and suffer the punishment of castration, that is to say, shall have his, testicles cut out ..

In 1693, a slave called Jamy was sentenced to be burned alive for 'sorcery' in St Helena.

 

The Apostle Paul includes sorcery in the list of 'works of the flesh:' “Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife . . . and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God” (Galatians 5:19-21).

St Helena takes its name from Saint Helena, born about 250 and the mother of the emperor Constantine. It is claimed that on a pilgrimage, she discovered the actual cross on which Jesus was crucified. As a result of this discovery, she is revered as a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Church and the Lutheran Church.

 

According to the grim theology of another Saint, 'St' Paul, the pious St Helena has inherited the kingdom of God but the slave Jamie has not.

 

'St' Helena actually found three crosses, according to legend. A woman who was very ill touched all three crosses. After touching the first and second, nothing happened but when she touched the third cross, she suddenly recovered, so Helena declared that this MUST be the True Cross of Jesus.


It was also claimed that Helena found the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus.

 

From the Wikipedia entry on 'Relics associated with Jesus,'

 

At various points in history, a number of churches in Europe have claimed to possess the Holy Prepuce,   Jesus' foreskin from his Circumcision; tears shed by Christ when mourning Lazarus; the blood of Christ shed during the crucifixion; a milk tooth that fell out of the mouth of Jesus at the age of 9; beard hair, head hair, Christ's nails. [Presumably, finger nails and toe nails.] A section of the Holy Umbilical Cord believed to remain from the birth of Christ is currently in the Archbasilica of St John Lateran.  

 

Throughout its history as a slave-owning, slave flogging, slave castrating and slave executing jurisdiction - and afterwards - St Helena was Christian, with active churches, where the gospel was preached, prayers offered and Holy Communion was taken. Abuses which took place in the Roman empire were ignored by Jesus, St Paul and others in the  Christian Churches - just about all of them, not just some of them. These abuses were ignored in St Helena and carried out in St Helena, although it's likely that the abuses in the Roman empire were worse.

 

The Roman doctor and writer on medicine Galen observed slaves being kicked, beaten with fists, and having their teeth knocked out or their eyes gouged out, witnessing the i blinding of one slave by means of a pen.

 

In 56 AD, the Roman senator Lucius Pedanius Secundus was murdered by one of his slaves. The senate approved the execution of all of his slaves, about 400 in number - men, women, children and, it may be, babies - in accordance with Roman law. Christians, following the example of the founder of the religion, would not have been outraged. Their minds were on other things, such as converting 'heathens' to belief in Jesus as Lord and Saviour. It' likely that there will have been very few Christian converts amongst the executed slaves, probably none, and so the destiny of all of them, with perhaps a few exceptions, will have been eternal separation from God, according to this deranged theology.

 

The institution of slavery freely permitted the separation of baby from mother and the selling of baby and mother to different 'owners.' For most of its recorded history, Christianity has opposed heresy, blasphemy, 'witchcraft,' drunkenness, but not the slave market or harsh treatment of slaves, such as flogging.

 

The Church of England has apologised for its historical links to the slave trade.

 

Commissioners of the church, including the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, looked into their history and involvement in the slave trade and said its connection to it caused 'great dismay' and was a 'shameful and horrific sin.'

 

Slavery was never regarded by Jesus and St Paul as a 'shameful and horrific sin.' For most of the recorded history of the Christian churches, slavery has never been regarded as a sin at all.

 

St Paul's Letter, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10.

'Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.'

 

So, homoesxuals won't inherit the kingdom of God, according to 'St' Paul, but he has no objection in the case of slave owners.Matthew 24:45, quoting Jesus himself:


'Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time?' (New Revised Standard Version.)

 

Jesus takes for granted the view that slavery is a natural institution of society, not open to objection.

 

The Archbishop of Canterbury will never issue an apology along these lines: 'Our founder, Jesus Christ, God the Son never regarded slavery as a sin. He allowed slavery to go unopposed. We apologize unreservedly for his failure to condemn she shameful and horrific evil of slavery.

 

 

Above, after a flogging: a slave in Louisiana in the mid nineteenth century.

 

 

 

Slavery was ended in the United States not by Christianity and not by convincing slave owners that slavery was wrong by by persuading slave owners to free their slaves. It was ended, of course, by military action. Above, General Ulysses S. Grant of the Union armies.

 

 

 

War: The Second World War

The killing of babies, children and young people at Auschwitz and other extermination / concentration camps and the killings of the Einsatzgruppen, mobile death squads

 

 

Above, Jewish women and children from Hungary walking toward the gas chamber, Auschwitz II, May/June 1944. None of these people would have been Christians, although it's possible that a few were Christian converts. Were all the non-Christians destined for eternal separation from God?  (the view of orthodox Christian doctrine, the state called 'hell)

 

Hunger and industry

 

Material on this section takes the form of extracts from my page Ireland and Northern Ireland.

 

On the back cover of Peter Mathias's 'The First Industrial Nation:' 'The fate of the overwhelming mass of the population in any pre-industrial society is to pass their lives on the margins of subsistence. It was only in the eighteenth century that society in north-west Europe, particularly in England, began the break with all former traditions of economic life.'

 

'In the 'Prologue,' this is elaborated: 'The elemental truth must be stressed that the characteristic of any country before its industrial revolution and modernization is poverty. Life on the margin of subsistence is an inevitable condition for the masses of any nation. Doubtless there will be a ruling class, based on the economic surplus produced from the land or trade and office, often living in extreme luxury. There may well be magnificent cultural monuments and very wealthy religious institutions. But with low productivity, low output per head, in traditional agriculture, any economy which has agriculture as the main constituent of its national income and its working force does not produce much of a surplus above the immediate requirements of consumption from its economic system as a whole ... The population as a whole, whether of medieval or seventeenth-century England, or nineteenth-century India, lives close to the tyranny of nature under the threat of harvest failure or disease ... The graphs which show high real wages and good purchasing power of wages in some periods tend to reflect conditions in the aftermath of plague and endemic disease.'

 

'Larry Zuckerman, 'The Potato:' 'Famine struck France thirteen times in the sixteenth century, eleven in the seventeenth, and sixteen in the eighteenth. And this tally is an estimate, perhaps incomplete, and includes general outbreaks only. It doesn't count local famines that ravaged one area or another almost yearly.'

 

Christian Wolmar's 'Blood, Iron and Gold: how the railways transformed the world' includes this, after pointing out one way in which diet was improved by the coming of the railways: 'There were countless other examples of the railways improving not only people's diets but their very ability to obtain food. France, for example, had periodically suffered famines as a result of adverse weather conditions right up to the 1840s, but once the railways began reaching the most rural parts of the country food could easily be sent to districts suffering shortages. Moreover, it would be at a price people could afford ... The consumption of fruit and vegetables by the French urban masses doubled in the second half of the nineteenth century almost solely as a result of the railways.'

 

No transformation in history is as important as the British industrial revolution, which quickly transformed more receptive nations, such as Belgium, but not others, such as Ireland. Why do far fewer women die in childbirth, why do few people in industrialised nations live amidst vermin, unable to feed themselves adequately or to keep warm, why do people in industrialised nations not live in insanitary cabins?

 

Britain's response to The Great Famine in the mid-nineteenth century was worse than inadequate, but Britain had this to its credit. It was the place where The Industrial Revolution began, where so many of the inventions and innovations which transformed life were devised, the place where for a long period of time The Industrial Revolution was most vigorous by far. There wasn't one famine in history, of course, which dwarfed all other famines, this period of famine in Ireland. By then, there had been famines in every country in the world, very often less severe, sometimes more severe. It was The Industrial Revolution which ended the threat of famine in industrialised countries. When Ireland eventually became an industrialised country itself, it was with British help.

 

E A Wrigley gives this useful summary of the impact and benefits of the Industrial Revolution  in 'Energy and the English Industrial Revolution:'

 

'One of the best ways of defining the essence of the industrial revolution is to describe it as the escape from the constraints of an organic economy. Civilisations of high sophistication developed at times in many places in the wake of the neolithic food revolution: in China, India, Egypt, the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates, Greece, and Rome, among others. Their achievements in many spheres of human endeavour match or surpass those of modern societies: in literature, painting, sculpture, and philosophy, for example, their best work will always command attention. Some built vast empires and maintained them for centuries, even millennia. They traded over great distances and had access to a very wide range of products. Their elites commanded notable wealth and could live in luxury. Yet invariably the bulk of the population was poor once the land was fully settled; and it seemed beyond human endeavour to alter this state of affairs.

'The 'laborious poverty', in the words of Jevons, to which most men and women were condemned did not arise from lack of personal freedom, from discrimination, or from the nature of the political or legal system, although it might be aggravated by such factors. It sprang from the nature of all organic economies. [In organic economies] .. plant growth ... represented the bulk of the sum total of energy which could be made available for any human purpose. The other energy sources which were accessible, chiefly wind and water, were, comparatively speaking, of minor importance. The ceiling set in this fashion to the quantity of energy which could be secured for human use was a relatively low limit because only a tiny fraction of the energy reaching the surface of the earth from the sun was captured by plant photosynthesis. Since all productive processes involved the consumption of energy, and plant growth was the dominant energy source, the productivity of the land conditioned everything else.

...

'The process of escape was slow but progressive ... from being a minor contributor to energy supply in Tudor times, coal increased steadily in importance, reaching a position of almost total dominance by the mid-nineteenth century.'

 

The Gospel of Jesus and Public Health

 

Prominent in the Gospel of Jesus and the teaching and practice of Jesus' followers: reliance upon miracles (such as the miracle of the feeding of the 5,000) and prayer (such as praying for an end to the plague). Christians have sometimes used other measures, such as killing Jews. During the period of the Black Death, false accusations were often made against Jews - that they had poisoned wells. Jews were sometimes tortured to make them confess to poisoning the sources of drinking water. As I point out in various places on the site, there's no record of Jesus, or St Paul, or other Christians in the early Church-  or most Christians in the centuries when Christianity was dominant - opposing the use of torture.

 

The Black Death was the deadly plague pandemic, at its peak between 1347 and 1351. Estimates of the number of deaths caused by the plague vary - from around 75 million to around 200 million.

 

The scientific perspective: Bubonic plague is caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis,  spread by fleas, but during the Black Death it probably also took a secondary form, pneumonic plague, spread by person-to-person contact.

 

Of all the causes of disease, diseases caused by lack of safe drinking water are the most prominent. Cholera is one example, but there are so many others. Again, the measures which have been effective are very different from the Christian 'solutions,' which are no solutions at all.

 

Provision of safe drinking water and treatment of sewage have been achieved by vastly different means, scientific advances, such as chlorination of drinking water, and vast construction projects, the building of reservoirs, water treatment plants, sewage plants, the construction of massive pipelines to convey drinking water (and the water needed for industry, again, on a vast scale) and separate pipelines to take away sewage.

 

A little information about the construction of just one civil engineering project, the construction of Derwent Dam in Derbyshire. The dam is important for many reasons, among them this: it was used for practice by the Dam Busters during the Second World War.

 

From the Severn Trent water publication, 'Dam builders to Dambusters:'

 

'Derwent Dam took over ten years to build and six months to fill!

 

 

'Imagine over a million tonnes of stone blasted out of the earth at Grindleford's Bole Hill quarry, travelling to Bamford by rail, then on to the valley over 7 miles of specially built railway ...

 

 

'Different trades worked on the dams. Skilled masons from as far away as Cornwall dressed the stone to the precisely proportioned blocks you see. Strong navvy labourers, many from Wales, worked in teams digging out foundations, shifting earth and stone.'

 

The industrial revolution was harsh, as harsh as the pre-industrial age, but a necessary prelude to this age of comfort and comfortable assumptions and illusions.

 

 The harshness of the industrial age, like the comfort of this age, wasn't, of course, shared by everyone. The harshness was experienced by people who really are all but invisible today, all but forgotten, such as the navvies.

 

 'Men of Iron,' the superb book by Sally Dugan, is mainly concerned with the audacious work of the engineers Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Robert Stephenson (she also does justice to the genius of their fathers, Marc Brunel and George Stephenson).

 

 She writes of the navvies' work, 'Maiming or mutilation came with the job, and navvies were lucky if they escaped with nothing more than the loss of a limb. They worked using picks and shovels, crowbars and wheelbarrows, and their bare hands; the only other aid they had was the occasional blast of gunpowder. Some were blinded by explosions; others were buried in rock falls. All led a life of hard, grinding physical toil, tramping from one construction site to another in search of work.'

 

'Men of Iron' includes this quotation, from Elizabeth Garnett: 'Certainly no men in all the world so improve their country as Navvies do England. Their work will last for ages, and if the world remains so long, people will come hundreds of years hence to look at it and wonder at what they have done.'

 

The view that all navvies were sentenced to eternity in hell, except for the tiny minority who had accepted Jesus as 'personal Lord and Saviour' is contemptible.

 

Remembrance Sunday and the Church of England

 

Visiting the National Arboretum, which is part of the Royal British Legion, has left a powerful impression, a very favourable impression. I don't criticize the National Arboretum but I do criticize the Church of England and I do make a plea, with argument and evidence, for no longer holding Church of England Remembrance services there.

 

In the extensive landscape of the National Arboretum are many, many memorials: the presentation is very impressive, dignified and moving. The presentation is not so much secular as universal. There are no signs or displays which admonish the visitor or instruct the visitor to think in a certain way, such as the Christian way. There are no signs or displays alleging that humanity is tainted by sin and claiming that Jesus is the answer, that Jesus is the Saviour of the World. If there were, they would strike a discordant note, except for visitors who happen to be Christian believers.  They would interfere with the quiet reflection which the place does encourage, rightly so.

 

The Church of England service which is held on Remembrance Sunday is very different, in contradiction, surely, with the ethos of the place. In the service, the people present are expected to think - and speak - in specifically Christian ways, to surrender their own view of things, which will often be very, very different. This is surely badly mistaken. This is not Church of England consecrated ground but a place for everyone.

 

At a time when support for the Church of England has become very diminished, the Church seems to grasp any opportunity to retain and regain some of the 'prestige' it once had. The Church of England should realize that the continuance of Church of England services at public events which are open to a wide range of people - to everyone - is deeply unfair. It's not likely that the Church will come to this realization but the National Arboretum needs to take action, surely. Or is the Church of England to play this role indefinitely, to hold remembrance services based on Church of England doctrine for decades to come, even if its support declines progressively?

 

I think that the National Arboretum is in a difficult position, but it is only difficult because the Church of England makes it difficult. Voluntary withdrawal from its role as provider of services to Remembrance Sunday would remove the difficulties. But it's not likely that the Church will come to this decision.

 

The National Arboretum describes itself as 'a place for everyone to remember.' It should not be holding Church of England services in which everyone attending is expected to join in prayers. It should not be holding Church of England services based on doctrines which will not be accepted by everyone but only by a small minority, such as the doctrine that those who fell in the First World War and the Second World War and other conflicts are condemned to eternal punishment - everyone, that is, who has not accepted Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour. The National Arboretum should not be promoting a Church which regards those who played such a magnificent part in defending our freedoms as essentially abject sinners, in need of God's redemption. What they deserve is our thanks and our gratitude for their achievements.



Commonwealth War Grave - Jewish
cc-by-sa/2.0 - © Evelyn Simak - geograph.org.uk/p/5706944



Commonwealth war grave - Christian

 

This is the Website of the National Arboretum:

 

https://www.thenma.org.uk/

 

And this page is a record of the most recent   Remembrance Sunday Order of Service

 

https://www.thenma.org.uk/what's-on/events-exhibitions-and-talks/events/remembrance-sunday/online-order-of-service

 

It was conducted by The Venerable Dr Susan Weller, Archdeacon of Lichfield.

 

An extract from the section 'Confession and Absolution:'

 

'Let us confess to God the sins and shortcomings of the world ... Let us confess our share in what is wrong, and our failure to seek and establish that peace which God wills for his children.'

 

At this point, I'll quote some words from the part of the Bible called 'The Law,' Numbers 31. Moses takes a very different view of what God expects. He regards himself as acting in accordance with God's will.

 

14. Moses was angry with the officers, the commanders of battalions and companies, who had returned from the war.

15. He asked them, “Why have you kept all the women alive?

16. Remember that it was the women who followed Balaam's instructions and at Peor led the people to be unfaithful to the Lord. That was what brought the epidemic on the Lord's people.

17. So now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse,

18. but keep alive for yourselves all the girls and all the women who are virgins.' The translation here is the Good News (!) translation.'

 

According to Deuteronomy 20, God gives commands concerning the treatment of people in captured cities. From the translation of the 'Good News Bible:"

 

20:13 Then, when the LORD your God lets you capture the city, kill every man in it.

 

Even harsher treatment is ordered for cities intended for settlement:


20:16 But when you capture cities in the land that the LORD your God is giving you, kill everyone.

 

In the words of the remembrance service, ' ... that peace which God wills for his children.' Is this an example of 'that peace?'

 

In the third column of this page, there's material from Exodus 11 in which it's claimed that God killed the first born sons of the Egyptians - adults, children and babies - committed, in other words, mass murder.

 

To resume comments on the service. There then follows a prayer, to be said by (All).

 

Father, we have sinned against heaven and against you, and are not worthy to be called your children.'

 

This is the view that everybody, including devoted parents, army, navy and airface veterans, are hopeless sinners who have to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus before they are acceptable to God.

 

Susan Weller will then have spoken these words,

 

Almighty God have mercy upon you, pardon and deliver you from all your sins, confirm and strengthen you in all goodness, and keep you in life eternal, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

And those who were present, members of the Church of England, members of other churches, Jews, Moslems, Hindus and members of other religions, atheists and agnostics will have been expected to say 'Amen.' In the Order of Service at this point in the service, there's this:

 

(All) Amen

 

If Dr Weller were to be contacted for clarification, I think it's very likely or overwhelmingly likely that she would confirm that according to Church of England doctrine, not all the men and women who died and are commemorated at the Arboretum, far from it: most are not saved from their 'sins.' Of the people attending to service, God will damn all those who fail to accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

 

The Arboretum should not be organizing these services, then. There should be full opportunity for debate, with the Church of England given every opportunity to explain its views, its policies - its beliefs. Events to commemorate remembrance at the Arboretum - and in public places throughout the country - should no longer be promotions of one religion and one denomination of one religion.

 

Church of England members and members of other churches can go to churches for specifically Christian commemorations. This is elementary fairness. The National Arboretum has no business to encourage in future the insincere mumbling of a response in prayer when the speaker has no belief in the Christian God.

 

In the column to the right, in the section on the Prayer Book Society, there's comment on the burning alive of Edward Wightman for heresy in Lichield, in 1612. Richard Neile, the Bishop of Lichfield at the time, played a decisive part in ensuring that the barbaric execution went ahead.

 
The work of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission is  beyond praise. The contribution of Fabian Ware, who founded the Commission in 1917, is beyond praise.  At the cemeteries of the Commission I've visited in  Belgium and France, I've experienced the immense dignity and calm of these places, the sobering and harrowing impact of these places. Each marked grave has a headstone, which has a national emblem or regimental badge, and the rank, name, unit, date of death and age of each casualty, with a personal dedication chosen by relatives. The headstone includes a religious symbol, but not in the case of known atheists. In the vast majority of cases the symbol is the Christian cross, but  not for followers of other religions, such as the Jewish man whose headstone is shown above,  Of course, the fact that a headstone has the Christian cross is no evidence that the man who gave his life was a believing Christian. When asked 'What religion are you?' it was very, very common to answer 'C of E,' Church of England.

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission didn't assume, then, that everyone who made this sacrifice was a Christian and has made an attempt to distinguish between Christian - at least nominal Christians - and believers in other religions, or nominal believers in other religions, as well as people who clearly had no religious beliefs.

 

The Lions of the Great War statue in Smethwick, Birmingham (which was vandalised just days after it was unveiled) is one of a number of similar monuments. The statue shows a Sikh soldier. Birmingham City Council: the statue 'honours the sacrifices made by South Asian service personnel of all faiths from the Indian subcontinent who fought for Britain in the First World War and subsequent conflicts.'


But in services throughout the country, on remembrance Sunday, not the least attempt is made to distinguish between Christians and non-Christians. When those present are expected to give the responses, what are people who disagree with Christian theology or who have no interest in it to do? What are followers of other religions to do? Stay silent? Mumble insincerely? Asking people or expecting people to show belief when they have no belief shouldn't possibly be expected. The Church of England may have its reasons for expecting people to take part in a Christian service even when they have no belief in Christianity, or to become silent witnesses in these parts of the commemorations, by far the larger part of the commemorations, in general. This is a marginal institution now, and so it may well try to maintain any influence it has, such as this influence over the people gathered to remember the fallen.

This is an Order of Service for Remembrance Sunday:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/
hi/pdfs/26_08_05_order_of_service.pdf

It contains this:

' ... through Jesus Christ our risen Redeemer'

and this bit of Trinitarian theology:
'

And the blessing of God Almighty,

Father, Son and Holy Spirit be with you all

and remain with you always.'

What are the Unitarians, the Jews, the Moslems, the agnostics and the atheists who are present to make of this? Is this an event they can witness and take part in wholeheartedly?

Any Anglicans present who are Conservative Evangelicals will have a their own interpretation of the words, 'through Jesus Christ our risen Redeemer.' For them, anyone who rejects the risen Redeemer has no hope of salvation. In the past, Christianity was a hellfire religion, almost completely so. That influence has waned, but not  so amongst Conservative Evangelicals, as well as some other sections of the Church.  The Jews and the atheists who are buried in the graves of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission are excluded from salvation. They didn't accept 'Jesus Christ our risen Redeemer.' The status of the nominal Church of England members  is presumably  the same.

If, as I argue, Services of Remembrance on Remembrance Sunday - the ones held in the open air, attended by members of the public with widely varying views on religion, not, of course, the services held in Churches - are indefensible in their present form, what can replace them? This involves difficulties, but they can be addressed. There can be continuity with the past. Very often, a band takes part in the event and I see no objection to the continuing playing of such resonant pieces as 'O God our help in ages past' and 'Abide with me,' but without the words. 'Nimrod,' from Elgar's Enigma Variations, is often played at Remembrance Sunday events and, of course, has no words, only its intense beauty.

Perhaps a choir could be present to sing the words of a hymn- just so long as the public isn't expected to sing the words as well. The music is far more important than the words to all but committed Christians, and often, far more important to committed Christians as well.

In the Christmas season, I've listened to carols very, very often - the very popular carols and such carols as 'In dulci jubilo,' 'Es ist ein Ros ensprungen' and 'Adam lay y-bounden.' And, of course, Bach's Christmas Oratorio. Again, the music is far more important than the words to most people.

 

Remembrance Day commemorations without the involvement of the Church of England would be shorter than before, but the commemorations could be extended. Consideration could be given to commemorating the service of men and women in the British Armed Forces directly after the commemoration of those who fell in previous conflicts. At present, Armed Forces Day is held in late June. Moving these event from June to Remembrance Sunday would make sense. Very often, members of the armed forces attend Remembrance Sunday events and they would obviously take part in the events to commemorate the service of present day members. The general public would be free to attend the earlier part, the commemoration of the fallen or the later part, the commemoration of the present day Armed Forces, or both parts.

 

Christian believers would, of course, be free to attend a religious service later in the day. Every year, at Endcliffe Park in Sheffield, a wreath laying ceremony is held to commemorate the crew of the American bomber Mi Amigo which crashed in the park on February 22, 1944. The ceremony is held on the Sunday nearest to February 22. A little later, a service takes place at St Augustine's Church, which is not far from the crash site. I attend the ceremony, but not the Church service, as I'm not a Christian believer. This is the pattern which should be followed.

 

A replacement for the present Remembrance Sunday services (again, the ones attended by the general public, not the ones in Churches) is essential, overdue. On November 11, 2018, I attended a Remembrance Sunday service in a nearby park, a smaller event than the one I usually attend, in Sheffield city centre. As always, I found the religiosity dispiriting, but this year more than ever. In this year which marked the centenary of the ending of the First World War, there had been the chance to find out so much more about the soldiers, sailors and airmen who took part in this war, but for most of the time, the stress was not upon human life but upon theology and ecclesiastical generalities. Not in evidence at all was any recognition of complexities, of harshness, the realities which historians have probed. The achievement of historians who have written about the First World War deserves to be much more widely recognized. Their achievement is on a very high level, so often - magnificent. A Remembrance Day event isn't a suitable venue for exploring these complexities, but a Remembrance Day event isn't the place for clergy to give their own interpretation of historical events, presenting it as obvious or indisputable fact.

 

This is what the clergyman did at the event I attended. In his address, he claimed that when the guns fell silent, peace had replaced war. This is perfectly true. Peace did replace war, for the time being. But he also claimed that hope had replaced 'futility.' This is surely the claim that the First World War had been a futile war. Many historians have contested this claim and have given arguments and evidence that the claim is mistaken.

In the booklet which gives the format of the service and the text which forms the main component of the service, the words of the Reverend Canon are often followed by the response expected of the public: in bold print.

 

Examples from the booklet:

 

After each prayer the following being [sic - insufficient care was given to proof-reading] will be used.

 

Officiant  Lord, in your mercy.
All          hear our prayer  

So, people at the commemoration who never pray are expected to make an exception now and to offer a prayer, with the expectation that God will hear the prayer? 

Later:

Officiant  Will you seek to heal the wounds of war?
All          We will

 

The officiant, like most of those attending, or perhaps all of them, has no way of healing the wounds of war.

Officiant  Will you work for a just future for all humanity?
All  We will.

 

  Any idea that injustices in vile, corrupt states - or injustices in liberal, enlightened states can be ended, so that all humanity has a just future, is utopian, impossible, deluded. Any idea that people attending the service should be expected to give assent to the notion is ridiculous.

 

The service included five 'Regimental Collects,' not delivered by the officiant. This is the first of them, the prayer for the York and Lancaster Regiment (the mangled opening is another instance of poor proof-reading:

 

'Almighty God who cans't save by many or by few and dost bid us to endure to the end that we might be saved, strengthen we pray thee, The York and Lancaster Regiment, that, as our perseverance has not been found wanting in battle, so we may be blessed in enduring all temptations, and at length, receive the crown of life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

All  Amen.

 

This is a prayer which amongst other things asks God to strengthen The York and Lancaster Regiment. Our national defences are badly in need of strengthening. There are insufficient recruits, there's insufficient funding, the armed forces aren't given the resources to meet the very serious challenges they face. National defences are strengthened by well-known means, finding more recruits (recently, the decision has been taken to find recruits from other countries) by changes to the national finances, and the rest. Is it worth asking God to strengthen the national defences? Surely not, and it's no more worthwhile to ask God to strengthen the York and Lancaster Regiment.

 

The Collect makes clear reference to the Christian doctrine of salvation: ' ... that we might be saved.' This is an aspect of Christian doctrine which I've discussed in many other places. Which people, according to the officiant, according to Justin Welby, to name just two people, are saved? What are the criteria? The evangelical answer, shared by very large numbers of other orthodox Christians, is  very restrictive. The saved are far fewer in number than the damned.

 

I do, though, commend the last paragraph of the text in the booklet and specifically the last sentence:

 

'Lest we forget. The First World War came to an end at 11 am on 11th November 1918. The Second World War ended on 8th May (Europe) and 15th August 1945 (Far East.) Let us also remember all the members of the British Forces who are currently deployed in operations, world-wide.'

 

A  dual commemoration, of the present-day service of the British armed forces after a commemoration of those who have fallen in war, seems to me to be a very promising development. Present day members of the armed forces do extraordinary work. They too deserve our gratitude and practical work. The 'good causes' which I have in mind as far more deserving recipients of donated money than the churches are very wide ranging but include many, many forces charities and other organizations.

 

Not all the prayers used in the service are given in the booklet. There was, for example, a prayer for our political leaders, asking God to grant them 'wisdom.' Will our political system be strengthened in the least by asking God to grant wisdom to our political leaders? The complexities and realities of politics are far removed from this mechanical, routine exercise of prayer and response. To expect the wider public to take part in the charade is nonsensical.

 

The Church of England may well expect, or hope, that some of the people who attend a Remembrance Day service and who aren't church goers will go on to become church goers. It would be unfair to claim that this would be the primary motivation of the Church. In individual cases, this may happen, but far more likely is this outcome: people who attend who have lost a relative in a war, people who have a more general interest in the enormity of the major conflicts, the enormity of the losses, the devastating effects of much smaller conflicts, will be dismayed and deterred by the nature of the service, led by the clergy, with public activity confined to the responses to the prayers of the clergy, the saying of the Lord's Prayer, and the singing of hymns.


Below, the Menin Gate Memorial at Ieper / Ypres recording the names of 54 389 officers and men from United Kingdom and Commonwealth Forces who died in the Ypres salient before 16 August 1917 and who have no known grave.

 

 


The orthodox Christian attitude to most of the names here is utterly repulsive. These people  believe that there's a penalty attached to disbelief in Jesus Christ as Redeemer or lack of interest in Jesus Christ as Redeemer.

In all this, I must stress, I feel I've far more in common with Christians who share my view of the importance of remembrance  than with those non-Christians who claim that wearing a poppy is 'glorifying war.' Christians and non-Christians can share a common understanding. There are large numbers of Christians whose war service has been outstanding. One of them is a former Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, who won the Military Cross for his acts of courage. He was amongst the first British soldiers to enter Bergen-Belsen concentration camp when it was liberated by the British army.

 





Dan Snow, 'Remembrance Sunday should not be dominated by religion.'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/06/
remembrance-sunday-lack-of-secular-presence

 

'After the first world war the Cenotaph was designed by Edwin Lutyens  as a secular memorial because the war dead were from a dizzying array of peoples, nations and creeds. The prime minister, David Lloyd George, backed him up. He insisted on a secular monument and he rejected an alternative proposal for a huge cross at Admiralty Arch. The government also rejected Church of England proposals that it should have Christian inscriptions on it or a cross on top of it. At its dedication on 11 November 1919, the King simply unveiled it, after which were two minutes silence. Many in the church were appalled by the lack of ritual.

'The Cenotaph is a state monument. It is not a religious one. About 26,000 serving members of the armed forces today describe themselves as having no religion, which makes the non-religious the second-largest belief group (after Christianity). We cannot continue to exclude a representative of these serving men and women, not to mention the tens of thousands of people of no religion who served in the world wars – men such as my grandpa, and many of his comrades.

'Remembrance is one of our most important duties as citizens. The act itself must reflect changing times. The event at the Cenotaph every November must feel as relevant and profound today as it was when it was first conceived. It must reflect the society it serves.'

 

 

Above. part of Tyne Cot  cemetery, between Ypres and Paschendaele (now 'Passendale'), with the graves of 11 954 soldiers, on land assigned in perpetuity by King Albert I of Belgium in recognition of the sacrifices made by British and Commonwealth forces in the defence and liberation of Belgium  during the First World War.

 

Below, Remembrance Day images.

 

 

Below, the Air Forces Memorial at Runnymede, Surrey, commemorates by name the 20,401 airmen who were lost in the Second World War during operations from bases in the United Kingdom and North and Western Europe, and who have no known graves. © Copyright Brendan and Ruth McCartney and licensed for reuse under the Creative Commons Licence.

 

 

Below, memorial to some of the Royal Navy dead of Porstmouth: the WW1 memorial. The WW2 memorial is behind it. From the inscription: ' ... to the abiding memory of these ranks and ratings of this port who... have no other grave than the sea ...' The memorials record the names of 14 9222 men and women from the port who died in the Second World War and 9 666 who died in the Second World War. © Copyright Peter Facey and licensed for reuse under the Creative Commons Licence. See also the memorial at Tower Hill, London, for the 36 000 members of the merchant navy (all civilians and volunteers)  who died in the two world wars, very often after U-boat attack, and who also have no other grave than the sea. During the Second World War, Britain needed over a million tonnes of imported supplies each week to survive. The merchant navy transported these supplies.

 

 

Below, allied tanker Dixie Arrow  torpedoed by U-71 in 1942.

 

 

Below, dust and smoke rising from Amiens prison during the audacious Operation Jericho, which succeeded in releasing some of the members of the French Resistance imprisoned there and facing imminent execution. Mosquito fighter-bombers were used to mount a precise attack, with an escort of Typhoon fighters. Of the 832 prisoners, 258 escaped and although many were recaptured, the raid can be counted a success. Two mosquitose were shot down, with a Typhoon fighter and another Typhoon was lost at sea.

 

Below, a De Havilland Dh 98 Mosquito. The Mosquito fighter-bomber was an astonishing and astonishingly successful aircraft, constructed to a large extent from wood.

 

 

Below, Bergen-Belsen camp soon after liberation, in April 1945.

 

 

When British and Canadian troops entered the camp, they  found over 13,000 unburied bodies and (including the satellite camps) and about 60,000 inmates, most acutely sick and starving ...  prisoners were dying at around 500 per day, mostly from typhus. The BBC correspondent Richard Dimbleby accompanied the troops that liberated the camp. This was his description of the camp:

 

'...Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which... The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them ... This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life.'

 

Below, clearing some of the dead bodies

 

 

Father, we have sinned against heaven and against you, and are not worthy to be called your children.'

 

To return to the Church of England service at the National Arboretum, these words of one of the prayers are surely shockingly bad:

 

Father, we have sinned against heaven and against you, and are not worthy to be called your children.'

 

This is to treat the Nazis, such as the Nazi Fritz Klein and the British and Canadia troops as similar, all sinners. This is a view of  heroic people as miserable sinners -  the members of the army who risked death and injury, the members of the Royal Navy and the merchant service who risked death and injury on the dangerous Atlantic convoys and  other naval operations of the war, the airmen who took part in the dangerous Operation to free the members of the French resistance and who took part in other air operations. The members of the French Resistance too are viewed in this despicable way.

 

There is absolutely no reason why the Church of England should continue to play this prominent role in Remembrance Sunday commemorations. If the theologians, Archbishops, Bishops and other assorted clergy can come up with reasons why the Church should continue to officiate, then let them make their reasons freely available.

 

I regard the Church of England as a discredited institution. Again, apologists for the Church of England are welcome to give a contrary view, but I think - I'm sure - that it will be difficult - impossible - to transform the many, many horrific acts which litter its history into creditable acts. The burning to death in the Diocese of Edward Wightman for heresy is just one instance.

 

 

Will the Church of England continue to supply preachers and prayers to the National Memorial Arboretum at Alrewas, Staffordshire and to the many, many events throughout the country which commemorate the sacrifices made by the nation's armed forces? The Church of England should step down, abandon any attempt to cling on to its residual power by these means, but is very unlikely to do that.

 

At public performances, from comedy shows to operas and classical music performances, acts, comedians, string quartets, orchestras, choirs, aren't invited back year after year, irrespective of changed conditions. When performers lose their touch, become faded or worse, when they become a source of acute embarrassment, then they are not invited back.

 

The Church of England is surely a source of acute embarrassment. This wealthy organization with so many staff is completely unable to stand up for itself because it's devoid of critical intelligence - to mention just one deficiency.

 

The Church of England's defence of its long-standing privileges, including the 'right' to officiate at Remembrance Sunday services, can't possibly be based mainly on the fact that the privileges are long-standing, hallowed by tradition, too embedded in the life of the nation, supposedly, to be questioned.

 

Another image from the liberation of Bergen-Belsen. April 19, 1945. The Nazi doctor Fritz Klein  forced to do work to bury bodies. Here, he is standing, to the left, in Mass Grave 3. The bodies, predominantly of Jews. Allied members of the armed forces on guard on the sides of the grave.

 

 

According to the despicable doctrine of orthodox Christianity, all are equally subject to eternal separation from God, the allied soldiers who liberated the camp, the Jews and others who died there in horrific circumstances - and the Nazi Fritz Klein. Any believing Christians  - not nominal Christians but believers in JC as personal Saviour - have a very different eternal destiny, the one enjoyed by Ernst Biberstein, the commanding officer of Einsatzkommando 6, which executed between 2000 and 3000 people. He had a background in Biblical studies.

 

Church buildings: aesthetics and ethics. Visiting cathedrals and churches. Supporting them financially by paying an admission charge or donating

 

    I've a strong interest in architecture and the built environment. In one extended period, a long time ago, I went on study visits to  cathedrals and , churches. Some of the books on architecture on my bookshelves are books on Christian buildings, for example two of the many books I have in the Thames and Hudson 'World of Art' series, 'The Cathedrals of England' by Alec Clifton-Taylor and 'English Parish Churches' by Graham Hutton and Olive Cook.

     

    Amongst the Church buildings I travelled to see and to study specifically, rather than the many  I've  visited as part of a visit for wider purposes, were Ely Cathedral and Lincoln Cathedral, Beverley Minster and St Botolph's, Boston. This year, I've visited a large number of parish churches in North Derbyshire and beyond - the border with Derbyshire is near this part of South Yorkshire -  including Eyam, Tideswell, Ashbourne, Hathersage, Baslow, Youlgreave, Ashton-in-the-Water.

     

    I don't regard any of the cathedrals, churches and chapels I've visited with affection. The case is very different with the vernacular architecture of South Yorkshire, Derbyshire and other parts of the country. The vernacular architecture of the South Pennines is a particular interest, a passion - buildings of stone, with stone tiles, in a setting which always has a strong interest and is often enthralling, sometimes wild , sometimes pastoral, sometimes made up of other buildings with great visual impact. Sometimes, the vernacular buildings were built for industrial use. I'm a member of South Yorkshire Industrial History Society and the society owns buildings which are of very great interest.

     

    I donate to the Society but it's inconceivable that I would donate to a cathedral, church or chapel. I never put any money in a collection box. My visits to cathedrals were made at a time when there were no admission charges to cathedrals. It's inconceivable that I would pay an admission charge to visit a cathedral. I provide argument and evidence in quantity on this page and other pages of the site which explain my reasons for refusing to give any money for the upkeep of church buildings. Of course, I wrote the pages with a much wider aim in view. Here, I give my own view and my own practice. I recognize that people who share my interest in architecture or who have other reasons for seeing the interior of a church bulding will often want to pay to go inside. There's no ethical dilemma involved in this case.

     

    Christian believers will continue to give money for the upkeep of church buildings - or some of them will - but my hope is that they will do that in diminishing numbers and my view is that it would be a mistake for non-believers to give money for this purpose.

     

    I take this view for many reasons. One of the most important has to do with Christian views of salvation, a set of arguments I mention often in my writing on Christian belief.

     

    Aesthetic considerations are completely unimportant in the Christian view of salvation. The Christian view of salvation is terrifyingly restrictive. Non-Christians  who visit a cathedral or church or chapel obviously gain absolutely no benefit in the Christian scheme of salvation. According to this scheme, the many, many people who pay to visit a Cathedral which charges for admission are destined to be eternally separated from God - the condition referred to as 'hell,' of course - except for the small minority who accept Christ as Saviour. Similarly for visits to cathedrals and churches which have no admission charges.

     

    I see no reason whatsoever to give money to places which have these doctrines. Visitors who put money in collecting boxes during their visits, visitors who arrange standing orders to pay money to these institutions, would be well advised to give money to other causes - to deserving causes, not to undeserving church money- collectors.  There are many, many charities working in the field of the built environment, many, many buildings which would benefit so much from the money - and which don't have the burden of obnoxious doctrine.

     

    The Websites of cathedrals and churches which attract many visitors are generally slick, calculated to encourage the giving instinct. My view is that visitors, and the armchair visitors who look at the Websites without visiting the cathedral or church, should resist the pleas for money. Church buildings with a very long history tend to emphasize the history, and the history they present is usually grossly distorted, omitting all mention of the shameful, dreadful episodes which form part of the history of Christianity. Claims made in the pages of Church and Cathedral and Christian organization Websites are so often hollow and far more often completely false.

     

    If giving to the churches declines, as is likely, given the declining fortunes of the churches, the generally declining congregations - and I hope the decline in all aspects of Church life will be very marked, again, for the reasons I give on this page and other pages, then the churches have available the so-called 'power of prayer.' t Let Christian believers pray for God's help in these stressful times, as the problem of shortage of money increases. But prayer isn't the method of choice for Christians. It plays what is in effect a minor role in so many situations faced by the churches. My own view is that prayer is  useless - for halting the spread of infectious disease, for bringing wars to an end, for all purposes except giving the believer a false sense of well-being. Prayer is useless for saving churches from becoming redundant, for halting the long term, thoroughly deserved decline of Christianity. Visitors who give money to churches could reflect on the disadvantages, which include depriving good causes of money given to the churches.

     

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Justin Welby and the John Smyth case. Giving to good causes.
 Reasons not to give to churches / church organizations.









 

                                    

 

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